Ways to Motivate Your Star Athlete | FBCP S11E09

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[00:00:39] Daniel Chamberlain Welcome back, coaches, this is the football coaching podcast. I am Daniel Chamberlain co-host here with Joe Daniel, as always.

[00:00:46] Joe Daniel Yeah, and we’re we’re one short. I think maybe we won’t be for long, but we will find out.

[00:00:52] Daniel Chamberlain It’s a stiffer schedule on a guest in. But you know, it’s stuff we can talk about anyway. So it’s yeah. Well, hopefully he comes in.

[00:00:59] Joe Daniel Yeah. Randy Jackson, we were hoping to be on here. If he pops in and he’ll pop in, if not, we’ll we’ll have Coach Jackson on another time if we need to. That’s the tough thing about interviews and these types of podcasts and is when we’re working with coaches, everybody’s busy like, especially if you teach, you coach. A lot of a lot of guys are moving up into, you know, AD, like some guys like ADs and everything, and it’s like almost impossible to guarantee time slots for everybody.

[00:01:28] Daniel Chamberlain So, so tonight we’re recording about a topic that kind of blends into last week’s last week we covered discipline. Not completely, but but it’s there and we’re talking star athletes tonight. So if you’re talking, your best player. Maybe for some, sometimes, right? And like for me, I don’t know that I’ve ever had a star athlete, but I’ve had the best player on my team who, you know, like we discussed being five star, what is a five star look like? And I don’t, I don’t know. I’ve never seen a five star in real life.

[00:02:00] Joe Daniel You know, years ago, this was when I was more active on the Twitter machine. But I remember asking around on Twitter about five stars, and I was just curious. I love to go back and find it all right. Use it in an article or what. But I just I ask guys about, you know, stories about five star. Have you had a five star? How do you get? I think at the time my question was, and it’s funny because I look back and I think if I remember that time period and the kid that I was talking about, my question was How do you get rivals to rank these kids, you know, to give stars, basically. And I remember just getting all of these stories and essentially what it came down to. No offense to rivals. They don’t know. They’re it’s it’s impossible. I mean, it’s legitimately impossible to scan 14000 last last count, which I think was 2018’s the last count that I saw over fourteen thousand four hundred high schools in the United States play high school football, right? Rivals cannot watch the film on all of these guys, and they can look at the guys who show out of the combine. The guys who get, you know, stars don’t matter very much where stars matter. It gets rivals a lot of money because otherwise they don’t exist. Second thing is stars, boosters like stars, you know, that’s the fan base of the college like stars, but they don’t know any better. And part of what came out of that was I was convinced there’s nothing to do with all we’re talking about today, but we got to start with some sort of rabbit hole thing. I’m convinced that the reason several years ago, we started seeing these FCS schools upsetting, you know, upstate being Michigan. You know, we see these teams coming up and competing at a high level with guys that, let’s be honest, they should not be able to. There’s there’s no way that an FCS school should be able to compete with a high level with a power five, you know, a ranked FBS team or whatever they’re called now. I guess they’re still called that.

[00:04:03] Daniel Chamberlain I think so. FBS, FCS Yes.

[00:04:05] Joe Daniel So my theory was that these guys and I’ve had college coaches kind of confirms at at a high level. These guys are being held at gunpoint by the people with the money these coaches are. And I’ve criticized college coaches enough, OK? There’s not every college coaches package, but but not every college coach is a better. Certainly, every college coach is not a better coach than a high school or a youth coach, period. That’s a lie. One percent Not every college coach is a good, talented guy. A lot of them are. But I’ve been told by multiple college coaches they’re basically held at gunpoint at times by the people with the money to get these five star guys. Well, then I got to talk to coaches, what are these five star guys? I’ve had guys say, like, nobody ever looked at my kids. I had kids that were 10 times better. Once I got one, that was undeniable. Once I got one, that was one of the best players in the nation and undeniable as a four or five star. Then every year I had five stars and four stars and three stars. Because once you’re on the radar, that’s where it goes. I’ve also had coaches told me they had kids who couldn’t play a lick, but they were six foot seven, three, twenty five and they could run. Right now you’re thinking the same thing I am, which is how can a kid not play? But I’ve had these coaches be like, that kid was not nearly as good. There were three other linemen on the line that were better than him, better high school players. Now you have to meet a certain criteria to be a division one athlete, especially to be a Division one offensive lineman. You can be a great high school. All the. Alignment, if you’re five foot 10, it doesn’t matter. You can’t play in Division one. Nobody’s going to recruit. Not it, you know, not your big skills, right? So and they would say, like these guys that fit that mold, even though they couldn’t play a lick like nobody must have nobody ever watched the film, you know, I think that’s probably less the case for quarterbacks, although I’ve seen plenty of, you know, one of the things that we see now is we see these ESPN games and they do kind of expose sometimes quarterbacks that are maybe a great seven on seven quarterback. Maybe they look great in the camps, may look great in the combine. And you can argue that you know their teams playing at a level they shouldn’t be because of who they are. But when we talk about stars, star athletes, it’s not always about rivals and it’s not always about who has the most stars, but that’s certainly going to play into the discussion.

[00:06:22] Daniel Chamberlain I guess, you know what you said about stars and getting recruited? I think it does play into it very well because something we’re going to discuss here shortly at depth is the scholarship. And once a kid that has that scholarship in hand or is, you know, highly coveted because of his stars, you may see a drop in his production or his work ethic or he’s like, OK, I’ve made it now. I don’t. Don’t hurt me. That could be a situation. I’m on the camp that stars do matter, and it’s just because you turn on the Super Bowl and you see a very high percentage of those are four and five stars. Sure. So the kids go, and a lot of it is that it starts with size, it starts with speed. Now, can I develop that into a ballplayer? But when you’re talking about a kid, it’s on your team. He may be a four star, but it may be because of his height and speed. So he still needs to develop. You got to keep him tuned in so he can develop those other skills to be a rounded out player. Otherwise he could get to college. And then you didn’t start any games because you just wouldn’t fill out the package, right? And now you’re never going to the next step anyway, which very, very small amount as it is.

[00:07:24] Joe Daniel But yeah, and it’s, you know, the recruiting is a weird thing. Stars are a weird thing. They’re not 100 percent. I know one thing that one thing that a lot of head coaches who have been in situation will know is, I don’t know if it’s better to have a kid who gets offered in his junior year and gets gets that big, you know, gets those big offers. And I’ve never had a kid who is being competed over by, you know, SEC schools and schools and which area, you know, I’ve never had that kid coached against that kid. And it sucks because because they look different than everybody else, when they’re when they exist. Treyvon Henderson is from our area. He I wasn’t at a school that was playing him when he was playing, but everybody else on my staff was. And it’s like just a level above everybody else. So that’s that’s the undeniable guy. Like, there’s just no there’s no discussion like it’s the best player you know is on the field at any given time. But I don’t know if it’s better. And I think Trayvon sat out the 2020 because it was in the spring for here. But I don’t know if it’s better to have the kid who has all the offers or have the kid who is a good player but who which we’ll talk about that I think is another big one today, the kid who is one of your best players and everybody’s telling him how good he is, but he doesn’t have those offers. I don’t know which one’s worse or which one’s better. Neither one. Well, one of them is not better, but I don’t know which one is worse, right? We’ll talk about that today, too.

[00:08:50] Daniel Chamberlain So the first question to ask is why? Why are we worried about keeping our star athletes motivated?

[00:08:56] Joe Daniel Hold on. I got to pay the bills.

[00:08:58] Daniel Chamberlain Oh, I almost passed it. Sorry.

[00:09:00] Joe Daniel Come on man.

[00:09:02] Daniel Chamberlain First question is who sponsors this podcast. Joe, do you know?

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[00:09:46] Daniel Chamberlain The second question we have for the evening. Why are we worried about motivating our star athletes and we’ll move into to the how. Yes. So why? Why is it so important that we keep them motivated throughout a senior season or junior season? Whatever it is,

[00:09:59] Joe Daniel it’s just, I mean, this is your best player, right? You know, one of your best players and they are they are at a level that no, nobody else is at. Remember, we talked when we had OK. Nobody else knows about this, but you and I know about this. Talking to Dominique Franks and everybody else will find out about it in a future. But this is a theory that I’ve had for a while that guys who were high level or good college players, especially like a really good D2 player. But you know, he’s not quite that NFL caliber guy or even a high level D1 player, but who wasn’t. You know, quite nfl. that those guys coming out of college don’t make as good a coaches at first as guys coming out of the NFL, because in the NFL, everybody’s good. Nobody’s the star in the NFL. Nobody, like nobody stands out because nobody is great in the NFL. Who doesn’t work? There’s a laundry list of guys who were great, who didn’t work, and they didn’t work. It did. They didn’t make it. But the best? You look at the guys that you might think like receivers, right? The quote unquote diva receiver, you look at it Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson, who kind of had that little bit of that, you know? You know, he doesn’t work hard. You know, those guys worked incredibly hard, right? Everybody who makes it in the NFL works incredibly hard. If you don’t, you’re out. So guys from the NFL have been humble, but we’re talking about high school. We’re talking about we’ve got kids starting that probably shouldn’t be on varsity and we’ve got kids starting who could legitimately be playing for who will be playing for top 10 college football teams and starting for them in a year in less than a year. Right. That’s a massive difference. And on most teams, if you have a kid who’s a Division one player or sometimes even a Division Two player, he is head and shoulders above everyone else. So having a strategy for these guys who are undeniably different is critical because they know it. You know it. The other kids know it. The parents know it. The administration knows when you’ve got a guy who’s a star and he may not be, I’m not talking about rival stars. I’m talking about he’s the man on your team. And if your team is on 10, the man might be at E3. Play right? Your team, the man could be. You could be 10. And oh, and the man might be the Division three player. But I mean, our best player last year. Division three player, our best players. Division three player period. Because of size, because of his maybe to an extent, his speed, but because of his size. He’s the Division three linebacker. Like he’s the best player on our team as a football player. So the best players stand out. And everybody knows it. And that’s what I’m that’s what I’m looking at is like, why do we need to motivate them? Because why do we need, I guess, why don’t you just read the difference? Because it’s obvious, right?

[00:12:57] Daniel Chamberlain They’re going to take a little extra work. A key point for me would be preventing someone from getting so focused. And it’s because I come from my wife’s train of thought, which is all about health and keeping them becoming so focused at being football stars that they don’t go play other sports. And now they get either burnout and so they won’t perform all season long or in the off season. Or maybe they don’t do as well later when they’re going to a camp or whatever or injury from doing the same drills over and over the same sport over and over. So that that would be a reason why I think you need to keep motivated because you got to push them off on other people, let them go, play sports, let them go, be stars everywhere.

[00:13:34] Joe Daniel I think that that’s my experience with that is that at a small school, there’s no question and you and I both have a lot of experience with small school at a small school. There’s no question because if he’s the best football player, he’s probably also the best baseball player, the best basketball player, the best track star, whatever. I love kids to be multi-sport, but I also know having been around some big schools having grown up in a big school, most kids didn’t play. Most of our football players, especially our best football players, didn’t play another sport because with 2500 kids and, you know, a state level baseball team and a basketball team that was basketball wasn’t very good basketball teams. But like a lot of kids, were not good at anything else. I mean, I wrestled for a year and then that was it. So in that case, you got to get them engaged somewhere like the weight room or, you know, you got to get. But yeah, you’ve got to get them doing something other than laser focus. Football, football, football grades, obviously, we know for sure. Division one, unless you are the absolute top where you can go, we’ve all got these sliding scale charts, right? You know, this is your GPA. This is your SAT or ACT. This is where you can go. And the higher the scores, the more colleges can recruit you. You know, for us, UVA University of Virginia, very high academic standard like you can be good enough to play for Virginia Tech. Generally, the level of athlete that can be recruited by Virginia Tech is a higher level of athlete. And then, I guess, usally Virginia Tech better than Virginia football, right? But you got a lot better chance of getting at least a look from Virginia Tech based on grades because UVA has a very specific, you know, we have Duke, we have weight, we have these schools that like you have to be, you cannot be. But UVA is one that doesn’t like Stanford. They don’t play around with it, right?

[00:15:24] Daniel Chamberlain Higher standard academically, right? And you might as well just have the grades to keep that open to you, right for your recruiting.

[00:15:31] Joe Daniel And if you’ve got the grades, then you have so many more opportunities. So you’ve got to. Keep him motivated there, because if they’re not motivated in the classroom, then they will not have the opportunities that they should have. I coached a kid in when I was at Ellsworth JUCO. He was he’s the best football player that I’ve ever seen, but they use a wide receiver. He was an assessee level recruit from South Florida. If he had graduated, obviously, if he had been eligible coming out of high school, he was scc level, right? He was. He was that peak as heck. This was back. I think border state was still good, Miami, that kind of stuff, too. So he was that level of kid. I knew LSU had he graduated with his AA in a year and a half, which is what you advise kids to do coming out of JUCO so that they can be in spring for their quote unquote sophomore year or the redshirt freshman year. Howard works out. Had he done that. Still, there were schools, Division One schools, not assessee, but you know your your lower levels, your mountain west, that kind of stuff. Still holding scholarships for him in August because he was that good, right? But nobody could do anything for him if he couldn’t get that, if he couldn’t do that, and it wasn’t for lack of trying for the coaches. You know, and I don’t know, there’s there are a whole bunch of situations, but if you cannot, it doesn’t matter how good you are. It doesn’t matter. You can go. You can go and find me the example. The guy who you’re like, I didn’t go to college when he played semi-pro school. He’s the one in ten thousand. That’s not a good road to go.

[00:17:05] Daniel Chamberlain No. Very, very low chances. It’s already a low of chance, right? You know, divide it yet again.

[00:17:10] Joe Daniel But, you know, honestly, in large part, no offense to Elsworth College. If you put the work in you, you can get that AA. It’s it’s a it’s not like you have to, you know, you just had to put that working. So if you’re not putting that work in there unless you just have an incredible love of football that doesn’t translate to the classroom for some reason, then that path you’re not going to work hard enough to get on that path, either. Right? So the other is an easier path is to do it at the AA is easier graduating high school, easier path. Absolutely.

[00:17:41] Daniel Chamberlain The last kind of point we’re going to talk and we’re going to look at pretty heavy tonight, pretty heavily based around this is just ensuring their progression doesn’t stop. It’s like we mentioned earlier. Once they get it, you know that scholarship or whatever, ensuring that they don’t turn it down, they’re not. They don’t quit on the team or whatever you’ve seen in the past or can think of a kid just says, OK, I’ve made it. Appreciate it, guys, and now I’m checking out. So that’s kind of where that’s going to be our main focus this evening.

[00:18:05] Joe Daniel And I don’t think it’s a conscious decision. It’s not like, I don’t think most kids are like, I’m just going to shut it down. But for so many kids and so many parents, this is the goal, right? This the scholarship is the goal. And yeah, you love your teammates and you want to win in that kind of stuff. But one, it can be real frustrating if you know you’re that, well, we’re going to talk about this in a minute, but when you’re the dude and everybody else around you isn’t, you might not be able to win the games on your own. And so your team might not be that good, but you still got to show up and put the work in. But yeah, it’s real easy to just. I think this is the biggest thing about why to motivate these guys is it’s really easy to go to practice when you’re the best kid and coast and that’s that. I think that’s human nature is to just kind of like football is not like some other sports where like, just take weightlifting, powerlifting, we can chase a number, right? We can always find a number to chase. We can always find. I can look up, you know, the guy who’s the best and I can chase that number when I go to football practice. You can tell me that there’s a guy out there that’s better than me. You can tell me that you know, somebody else is going to get recruited over me. But I walk on that field and nobody on that field is better than me. I’m not pushing the same

[00:19:21] Daniel Chamberlain thought real quick and that we’re going to use that what you just said as a segue into our first or second little area, but you talk about, you know, it’s an internal decision. Don’t even know you’ve made to kind of shut it down. And I think back to the Super Bowl, when Cam Newton was getting bullied by the Broncos and even he, you know, he fumbles that ball or the snap is fumbled, whatever, it’s a yard in front of him, he doesn’t jump like he doesn’t make it. And he said afterwards in an interview, I’m pretty sure maybe I made it up, but I’m pretty sure he said he made a business decision. It was it worth the risk to get on that football in the current state of the game? And that’s that is the dude he was, the dude on the Carolina Panthers team. So it’s kind of the same thing. It’s not exactly the same because he’s with a whole bunch of great players, but he made a decision in a split second and there’s nothing keeping high school players making that same decision about anything in practice.

[00:20:08] Joe Daniel And here’s the thing. It was like, let’s take it to a game, because in practice, probably not unless a coach was there at practice, which they’re always going to be leveled up a little bit when coaches are a practice. I think usually if a if a school that they want is their practice, if you’re getting recruited by, you know, Ohio State and Ohio shows up to practice, you might be like, Nah, I’m good, I’m cool, but no offense, which means somebody is already offended. I know, but take a high school. It who makes that business decision and is like, I already got a scholarship, I’m going to watch the football on the ground. You know what happens when that college sees the film of him watching the football on the ground? Yeah, the pullback, which means you’ve got to make sure that kid knows everything you do. I think it’s sad that I think it’s unfortunate that colleges can pull these scholarships so easily and screw these kids over because there are times when kids just get screwed up, right? There are stories of colleges doing great things like a kid blows his knee out. They’re going to all in honor scholarship. Good for them. There’s also stories of them just being like going in and you’re out of luck. And then the kid doesn’t have that kind of they’re getting more of it. They’re getting more of the ability to do that. But you know, you can’t go in July and be like, You know what? I’m open for business again because everybody else’s scholarships are filled.

[00:21:28] Daniel Chamberlain So, yeah, so your Segway. The point you made was about practice and how easy it is to some players. And that kind of fits right into our first second point here. And that is what what issues arise while coaching star athletes. And I think it’s good to know what you’re looking for so that you can prevent it, right? You can’t prevent what you’ve never seen. I think see in four or five star athletes probably going to give you a little key, an indicator like, OK, here’s where I might start seeing things. So here’s the kind of some of the stuff you may start to see. And no one is going to be practice. Like you said a while ago, when everything around you is slow motion, it’s pretty easy to just turn it down and not give your full effort. And that bad effort may turn into many other bad practices. You know, they say perfect practice equals perfect, right? You can’t, right? You can’t go out and half perform and then expect on whenever the game night is. When you’re trying to put it on film. Hey, look, what I can do

[00:22:18] Joe Daniel in the big issue is eventually, if you go far enough, eventually you’re going to run into somebody else who has one of you two. Then it’s like now that practice habits will show out since we were talking about practice, not a game practice. I will tell Mike Allen Iverson story that I was told which was about my leg, my one of my first head coaches from years ago. Here’s recruiting Allen Iverson. Allen Iverson is from here in Virginia, and he was here at the same time as Ronald Curry, Michael Vick, Allen Iverson, Aaron Brooks. I think it was. They’re all in the same area, right? Everybody, the people that I’ve heard from say that Allen Iverson High School was the best of all of them, but the story was basically that they went down. He wasn’t at a school that would be recruiting Allen Iverson, so I think he was recruiting someone else. But Allen Iverson’s on it team and Southeast Virginia, and they got to got to the practice is like watching the kid I think was a lineman or something he was recruiting and he’s like watching the kid and they’re practicing and it’s it’s Virginia, so it’s hard to get a little darker and you know, that time of year. And he’s like, Iverson must not be coming to practice today because everybody knew, like Iverson walks out like forty five minutes into practice with his helmet, shoulder pads jersey tucked in the shoulder pads, Typekit jersey tucked in the helmet type of thing, walking out belt on Dunn. You know, when you’re walking, when you got the pants on, you’re walking in. The pants are sagging, the practice pants are sagging down and everything. And he just like walks up there in team at this point, right? Probably one of the probably a team for, you know, two hours is that old school way. Because this is what ninety nine in a seven eight team like that walks out just kind of hikes up the pants, throws the pad on, pulls a jersey out those pads on, pulls the jersey on the helmet on, sticks his hand under center set. Go. We’re back now. I know nothing of what was going on. You know, he could have been taking a test. I don’t know. But the way the way that this coach described it, the way that he kind of sauntered out, stuck his hands under center, just like backup quarterback, just kind of get out of the way here and then and then proceeded to be like the best player on the field by far. And he didn’t. He said once he was there like his, his practice level was, you know, actually for the guy with the not a game practice quote you. He was he was an animal. But anyway, I have no idea what else was going on, but that was the kind of like star. And the way that it happened gave this coach the impression that this was not the first day that, you know, he just kind of came out. So which is why Allen Iverson star athlete story

[00:24:54] Daniel Chamberlain that was his big speech in the NBA, too, right? Right. The playoffs, and he missed the practice.

[00:24:59] Joe Daniel Not a game Yeah. He is not a big practice, guy, I guess. But he was an incredible athlete. So you know what? I’m sure that coach was like, Doc, stick your hands under there. Let’s go. Just trying to win a championship right now? Yes.

[00:25:12] Daniel Chamberlain Do whatever you want, which is what we’re here telling you not to do.

[00:25:15] Joe Daniel Sure. I wouldn’t recommend that as being your way to do things. No, I just think you get these guys. You got to hold them to a standard. And if you don’t, if they practice lazy, like you said, they’re going to get lazy habits. If you’re a receiver and you don’t run routes or if you’re a quarterback and you don’t throw the balls on time and go through your reads and your footwork if you’re an all. Sublime, and you just run over the kid in front of you because he’s a JV kid and you’re going to be playing at a major college next year. That doesn’t help you, right? Offensive linemen going out and being bullies in practice does not help them. Offensive linemen taking proper footwork, even though that kid’s worse than if they just put a bag across the room that offensive lineman taking the right footwork and all these things. Because one day, maybe this year, maybe next year, maybe when he gets to his college, there’s going to be another division one kid across from. And at that point, if he’s just been bullying the kids you know around, then that’s going to be a problem.

[00:26:13] Daniel Chamberlain So militarily, we we successful units or successful teams. You know, we’re real big on maintaining whatever got you to be successful. It’s always drills. It’s always practice. And that’s what we talk about is when you get into the fight or the whatever it is, you don’t have to be a gunfight. But when you get to that point where you’re tired, your plans falling apart, everything’s not perfect. It’s not a J.V. kid across from you, right? You’re going to fall back to your lowest level of training. That’s where you go. That’s where your brain goes. So it’s that muscle memory. It’s it’s doing it right regardless who’s over there, because someday you’re going to have to fall back on that. And it might be a game where there’s a scout in the stands and there’s a stud across from you, right? Whatever position you may be and you’re going to fall back to the lowest level, whatever work you put in. And so if that was, hey, I’m Allen Iverson, and I came out and played 20 plays a team and then went in that you’re going to be able to see that or if you’re an offensive lineman. And I see that at one and three a ball here in Oklahoma, I see the offensive linemen get lazy because we don’t have the kids to put across from them to do to make them use their fundamentals right? And so they’re just like a boy. Am I see it all the time?

[00:27:22] Joe Daniel It’s a huge value of put on good and half line is where you can actually maybe match somebody up, right? But you just don’t know. Nobody has five starters. And then like at a small school, nobody has five starters and somebody across from that can challenge them.

[00:27:36] Daniel Chamberlain No. And so then on Friday night, you’re screaming because they’re not doing it right and you’re like, Well, coach, you didn’t scream at me all week. That’s exactly what I was doing.

[00:27:43] Joe Daniel Then we’re going to get into that with the how to keep them motivated. But it is. It does come down to being a detail-oriented person. It comes down to it in everything you look at. You look at Olympians getting coached. I mean, we just talked about like, you know, you can find these things to push yourself in numbers. But like if your lashes like the best weightlifter in the world, he’s from Georgia. Not, not my Georgia. The other one, he, of course. So he’s not chasing anyone. He’s just he’s got all the records. He has a certain internal drive. But I guarantee you that he’s also being coached by coaches who are on every little piece of the movement. And if you don’t coach these guys that way, you know, then you’re not. They’re not going to perform when it comes time. You know,

[00:28:35] Daniel Chamberlain this is going to be completely off-topic or not going to be a little bit. I often think about like the LeBron James, the Kevin Durant, these anomalous to do basketball people, but these players that are Tom Brady, people that are just so ridiculously good and I think about trying to be their coach. Like, how am I the position coach for Tom Brady? Hey, Tom, you didn’t do this right? And he just looks at you as like, Are you sure? And I wonder, I wonder what it would be like. And I hope that someday if I do get a four five star kid, I can. I can still be a coach because I don’t. That’s a weird place to be. Like, you’re ridiculously good. It doesn’t matter how you do this, you’re going to win this one on one. But I need to coach you better. So I often think about that, like being one of those superstars coaches.

[00:29:17] Joe Daniel Tom Brady is obviously a different. And LeBron and probably Durant, too. I don’t know as much about Durant, but I’ve read books about LeBron and, you know, decent about Tom Brady in that they are not just the best athlete, but they are students of the game. In other words, they they know so much. I think the first thing is with your star athlete in the high school level, he’s still a high school kid. He knows nothing. I don’t care. Now I have been in a situation where I have been the coach, you know, a first year wrestling coach who was only five on my JV, my freshman year and then never wrestled again. And I’m sitting there in a chair because it’s a tournament and the head coach is, you know, running around with all these other kids and he sends me to go with hopefully a kid who’s going to, you know, wipe them out with some kid that he’s across from. But I’ve been sitting there with a kid who’s been wrestling since he’s six and he knows more wrestling than I have any hope of knowing. And I’m just kind of there for encouragement. So I’ve been in that position where he knows more than me. But I think for the most part, when you’re coaching high school kids, they don’t know much. No matter how good they are, they don’t know much. But I also remember watching, I think I think it was this year my. Last year, Blaine Gabbert was the backup, I think was Blaine Gabbert was a backup for Tom Brady.

[00:30:39] Daniel Chamberlain I’m thinking sounds right, but I don’t know that for sure.

[00:30:42] Joe Daniel One of Blaine Gabbert, Blake Bortles, they’ll blend together. These guys that just didn’t quite make it right. What’s called Gap? And I remember like Tom Brady’s walking off the field and this dude backup quarterback for the Bucs is walking up to him with his clipboard and he’s telling him something. And I remember everybody was like, What could he possibly? What could this guy? He’s not his coach. He’s the backup. What could he possibly be telling Tom Brady? Well, let me tell you something as good as Tom Brady is. This guy knows the system. He’s an NFL quarterback, and he sees something. And maybe Tom Brady goes, I saw that, but I bet you there are times, maybe once every three weeks. I don’t know where he goes. Thank you. I didn’t see that when you have, no matter how good you are and it doesn’t matter if you’re the best. Other people can still help you, no matter how good you are now. I probably can’t help Tom Brady because I’m not a quarterback coach and I’m not an NFL coach at all, so I don’t know how to read NFL defenses the way that I would a high school defense. But anybody who’s in that life can probably give him something. Who has that experience? They can give you something.

[00:31:48] Daniel Chamberlain So the second to the first issue we talk about, of course, is practice of being too easy. The second we’re going to discuss here is everyone around your star athlete reminding them just how good they are, right? When it’s the start on the team and I go back to, I was playing. It begs as a freshman and we had a guy by the name of Jeremy Nathan that played and he was the running back. And I mean, we’re in like the second round. The playoffs were in gore. And I mean, the coach made a halftime speech that was essentially stop. Hang in your helmet on, Jeremy. He’s tired of it, like he’s tired. And I mean, he kept us in the ballgame. He was that guy. He was the guy on the team, without a doubt. He didn’t end up going to D1 and playing defense played for three or four years, I believe, and then didn’t go to another level. He’s still around the Tulsa area, but I don’t remember people just always just lavishing him with all these compliments of how good he was. It was like in the battle when coaches finally like, Yes, he’s good, but someone else is going to have to step up because if they put 10 in the box and it doesn’t matter how good Jeremy is, he’s not going to be able to win this game for us. Right. So I don’t remember that being an issue there, but it you could see the coach had an answer even when people started leaning on him too much.

[00:32:56] Joe Daniel And I think a lot of that will depend on the kid. I think that 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I know 25 years ago when I was in high school, this wasn’t the case. God, that’s like a quarter century.

[00:33:11] Daniel Chamberlain We will we won’t mention anymore.

[00:33:13] Joe Daniel Oh, I got a point. So I don’t think and I will say that there was definitely there was a thing, but I remember kids being told how good they were. But I think that a new culture from basketball, which is kind of where a lot of a lot of people can associate understand that concept of, you know, there in so many off-season leagues and different things that possibly to the detriment of their high school team unless they’ve got a coach who can, you know, reign all that in. But I think there’s more of that now in football than there was even 10 years ago. I think there’s a lot more people being aware of recruiting and stars and all that sort of stuff. There’s a lot more, you know, just in general, people jumping on the bandwagon, coaches, some of the coaches, some coaches can be the worst. If you walk into a weight room and I think everybody’s maybe, maybe you have it, but if you do it long enough, you’ll be around these guys. Some guys will walk into a weight room in the offseason and they will gravitate not towards the 14 year olds that need somebody to tell them they’re about to die, squatting that way. They will gravitate towards the at least what appears to be, or if they already know they will gravitate to the star in the weight room. And it might be some of what you said. They can’t tell them anything football wise, but by God, they bench press 300 pounds when they’re in high school and so they can come over and tell him how to do that. So they will. You will see coaches gravitate to the stars and latch on to the stars and you will see coaches. Most of them do not realize this is them, but you will see coaches who only want to coach the stars because you know what? That’s easy.

[00:35:05] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, makes you feel like a good coach.

[00:35:07] Joe Daniel It does. And I’ll take. I’ll go back to wrestling. You know more about wrestling just by by way of being in Oklahoma. But I did coach it. You, like, just ignored that stuff. But I lived in Iowa for six months, so I picked up a lot.

[00:35:20] Daniel Chamberlain That’s a great thing to put on your resume. Well, I did live in Iowa for six months.

[00:35:23] Joe Daniel I didn’t coach wrestling, but there were wrestlers in the state and I just kind of absorbed the wrestlers in the college and it’s kind of fun. But, you know, I know coaches in wrestling who have been like. It’s an individual sport. I got 30 kids on this mat. I got five that are going to go to state. Twenty five if you go over here. The assistant coach is going to drill with y’all. I’m gonna go over here and coach these five and then we’ll try to win a state championship. That’s an individual sport. Football is not. So if you decide to gravitate to the stars, you have a problem because you got to put another 21 guys out there or at least 10 and you got to coach them. So coaches will gravitate to the stars. They will. They will get some pressure and some publicity. You know, the more well-known they are, people will gravitate, you know, if if it’s community. Other parents will want to latch on to this to the side, especially if it’s not their kid’s position.

[00:36:14] Daniel Chamberlain Right? You keep my kid from playing. And maybe not

[00:36:17] Joe Daniel if my kid’s a receiver. Yeah, I’m all for that quarterback. That’s that’s a five star. Like, I’m gonna tell him how good he is. And by the way, my son’s not 12th right now. So like, coaches will latch on administration sometimes, sometimes not. But, you know, we just got different people in the community trying to latch on to these guys. Hey, coach there.

[00:36:40] Randy Jackson Well, thank you, guys. Thank you. I’m honored to be here.

[00:36:43] Daniel Chamberlain And Coach Jackson, we’re glad you could join us tonight. Tonight’s topic is it is relevant, maybe not as relevant to every coach out there as it can be, but there are people out there that have the best. You know, we talked it could be just the best player on your team or whatever. But anyway, we wanted to have you on to talk about this tonight. We’re glad you can make it, and we’d like for you to quickly just do a little introduction to kind of tell people who you are and what you’re about.

[00:37:06] Randy Jackson OK, thank you, guys. Well, such an honor. Really, really honored to be here. I was a coach for thirty one years, my last twenty one, I was the head coach of all in Texas. I retired in July and decided to start coaching coaches. Everybody learned how to zone. So I do an elite coaches mastermind where I interview people and then I do an offensive system called fast and wide. And it’s been fun. You know, I zoom with guys all over the country, but then I got bored and missed being on a team. And so in a couple of weeks, I’m going to go to Potsdam, Germany. I’m going to be an offensive coordinator for a German Football League team, the Potsdam Royals. And you know, it’s I think what I’m learning is we’ll have guys in our 20s and it’ll be the same. You know, it’s all relative. I think it’s, you know, a fabulous topic that we need to talk about on our mastermind. So get ready. I may invite you guys to come speak on my mastermind and we just do this thing all over again. So glad to be here.

[00:38:09] Joe Daniel Awesome. Appreciated.

[00:38:10] Daniel Chamberlain Well, congratulations on the new position and for coming out of retirement. If that’s what you wanted to do, then congrats. If you’re like, Man, I was enjoying this. I don’t know if you’re east or West Texas, but Texas sunsets and just being at home, then you know it’s not too far away, hopefully.

[00:38:25] Randy Jackson Yeah, it was, you know, every like everything rides good and bad. But Nick Saban said this the Texas Coaches Convention last summer, he said, You know, I’m sixty nine. I think he was, he said. I don’t know how much longer going to coach college football, but when I get done, I want to be a part of an some other team. I got to be on a team and I just, you know, I think that’s just how probably all three of us are wired and and zooming is great, but it’s just not the same, you know? So for me, the zoom with guys all over the world and say, Hey, here’s here’s our install. Here’s what we’re going to do in April when we start training camp, you know, like, pretty stoked about that. Just wish it was a little closer, you know?

[00:39:05] Joe Daniel Yeah, I stepped away after 2018, so I didn’t I didn’t coach 2019 2020. It was whatever. But the whole time I had all my coaching friends and things were saying, like, Do you miss it? You miss him. Like, No, you know, I get to work with all of our all of our JDFB coaches and they send film. And so I’m like, I’m watching their film and I’m it’s like, I’m on 20 different staffs. I’m like, I don’t really miss it. And then like the first time that a coach, you know, one of my friends got a job and was like, Hey, do you want to come back? And like, Yeah, my wife’s like, what? Yeah, yeah. You know, it’s getting out in the field. It’s not the same. So. No. Yeah. All right. Well, let’s Daniel, I guess let’s let’s carry on here.

[00:39:49] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, we’ll pick her back up. So I think we talked about, you know, people telling their kids how good they are and they have to kind of fight that off, right? They’ve you have to, as a coach, be able to tell them, we know you’re in that environment because of social media right now. Look at look at what huddle can do for you, right? A kid post is huddle on Twitter and how many thousands of high school coaches can can chime in and tell them how good they are

[00:40:10] Joe Daniel How many people who don’t have a scholarship can tell them how good he

[00:40:13] Daniel Chamberlain is, right? Yeah. Or other players, right? Other players that are out there doing the same thing. So the world is full of distractions right now. And so we’re just kind of talking about how that interferes with these kids and what issues you can see arise because of it.

[00:40:25] Randy Jackson Yeah, I think I think you have to be very intentional not to just keep adding to the flames, you know, but Sonny dikes, I just. And consulting work at SMU, and he said it’s the same for them, like so in the Dallas area. I mean, we got players who have handlers, you know, and it’s it’s no fun. And so I’m talking to coach dikes about it and he’s like, you know, coach really like, we got guys and our and our players ears. It’s the same deal, you know? So I think as long as you can, I don’t know if you guys remember this or not, you’ll probably do. But I don’t know, last spring or six months ago or something, there was a big Twitter deal about nine year olds getting championship rings and baseball. You know, remember there were those huge rings and you know, it’s a big moneymaker. And so it’s not going away like, you know, like you’re saying, I think that that if you’re not very, very intentional, you’re you’re in trouble. So like I say, without just going on and on, here’s something I think every program has to do. You have to have something like if I got to into a room of coaches, I ask them to close their eyes and turn around until I tell them to stop. I let them turn around a couple of times and I’ll say, OK, without opening your eyes. I want you to point to True North. And so you know what’s going to happen? Fingers are going to go everywhere. And so I say, Look, you have to have something to point at. So I know we’re not in the how we saw in this year, but I just think that’s worth kind of leading in with for me is my whole deal is is we got to get all these fingers pointed in the right direction because all those fingers pointed. Now they’re pointing towards Instagram and they’re pointing towards Twitter, and they’re pointing towards, you know, I got a former player who is in college now and he’s OK, but he’s an unbelievable photo shoot guy like the college team he’s on, like he’s he’s all-American photo shoot. And I think that’s more important now than football.

[00:42:24] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, I know what you were talking about. I don’t know why. It just made me think of the transfer portal and how things are getting there. And it’s the same thing. At least college kids are getting told you’re you’re too good to be on that team, whatever it is. And I know there’s a million to be a backup, right?

[00:42:40] Joe Daniel There’s a instead of fighting for a position, you know?

[00:42:43] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, absolutely. There’s a lot of reasons why kids transfer, and I’m not I don’t know that I love or hate it. What I do know is that now Oklahoma has laws in works that are going to allow high school or kids to have one transfer, and you don’t have to be in district you can go to. We already have it in place, so the foundations they’re already a kid can go to any school they want to. OCA or our sports association has said it will not honor that yet, but it’s coming in, right? It’s not. We have to do the same thing. So now you’re at a school, you’re at a one, a school. You have one kid who’s really good that can help you be successful and they can just leave. And it might be the media that Typekit them up in the newspaper or his Twitter or, like you said, his Instagram. So, yeah, the world is full of people telling these kids how good they are. And I’m actually very interested in how you guys are solving that at your teams or what you’ve seen work because it’s a steamroller man.

[00:43:36] Joe Daniel Right before Coach Jackson got on, we were talking about something related to this, which was the, you know, I think everybody kind of understands the AAU basketball, you know, idea and how that’s becoming more and more prevalent in football. It’s going to, if you know, I don’t know what the I don’t know the exact rules in Virginia. We used to not have private schools and recruiting like that we do now. But like if you’re allowed to transfer schools, then the number of people telling kids how good they are is going to go through the roof. Because Daniel, you had said that you didn’t really see that at that, you know, when you were in high school, it’s going to go through the roof now.

[00:44:13] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah. And you’re talking about trying to play defense as a coach. Like, what do you tell your kid now? You’re terrible? That’s that’s not that’s not going to work as it kind of takes us into our last little bit here. The issues and we know there’s a lot of issues we may not even get to tonight, but scholarships, if a kid, whether they do get a scholarship or they are on the cusp of getting that first D1 offer, or maybe they have a lower D1 and they’re waiting on those, you know, top tier D1 schools trying to prevent a kid from either shut it down because they got that piece of paper or just thinking they’re too good to have to go out and do the same work as everyone else.

[00:44:48] Randy Jackson So I don’t know if this is an issue for you guys, but here’s what’s happening in the Dallas area. We got kids kind of skip in their senior years. And I mean, there is a running back at a rival school of ours going to the Big 12 school and the big, I mean, according to their coaches, a buddy of mine, the Big 12 schools said, We don’t care if you play your senior year or not, you know, like, I mean, it’s just there’s so many things right that are just kind of mind blowing, and I think that’s one of them. But I don’t know if you guys can relate to this. But so in 1999, I got my first head coaching job and it was at a one day school in West Texas. We had one hundred and fifteen kids in the whole high school. And you know, from there I went to the school of 210 and then three. And anyway, in fact, in newspapers were big, and I’d always looked at those recruiting lists the top 100 in the nation, the top 100 in Texas, and I just remember thinking how much fun it’d be to coach those guys. And it’s not, you know, and again, I don’t. This is probably a whole nother topic, but the best kid the coach is the D2 football player, you know, the kid who’s really pretty darn good, but he doesn’t do photo shoots on Twitter, and he doesn’t have a million people telling him how good he is. Just a good blue collar kid. You know, I mean, I’m not saying I wouldn’t love to have ten day ones on my defense, but they’re not as much fun to coaches those D2 kids, in my opinion.

[00:46:15] Daniel Chamberlain I could see it being a lot harder to coach because you’re trying to penetrate all these things we’ve been talking about, right? Just to get a simple whatever it is a scheme or a fundamental put in.

[00:46:24] Randy Jackson Yeah, right. Yeah. And you know, I don’t know if you guys want to go here now, but the early signing hurts. So we’re in the playoffs in Kazakhstan and scholarships. And one thing I always prided myself on was our teams got better as the year went. Like, we’re going to practice really good and we’re going to be better week 10 than we were a week two in my last year. At no forewarning, we had four D1 kids, I think the most I ever had. That’s the only year we didn’t improve as the as the year went on. Some of that was COVID. You know, they were like they would come up for practice and go home and take a nap. You know, it wasn’t, but they were, you know, I think they’re I think they had one foot in high school and one foot in in college. So I think early signing has hurt that as well.

[00:47:08] Joe Daniel It kind of like you mentioned, the colleges not wanting the kids to play their senior year. I mean, we can look back to where that started because it’s a trickle down, right? That started when kids started sitting out ballgames. Yup. And I totally understand money’s on the line like, I get it. Do I like it? No, but I understand it because money is on the line when a guy says, You know what? You know, I started this season with the goal of being a national champion, and the Peach Bowl just ain’t that. So I’m going to stay home. So, but you know, that’s a decision that he’s got a career or in this case, a scholarship on the line. And I mentioned Treveon Henderson, who’s from our area, sat out, but we did a spring 2020 spring 2021 season. So that made a lot more sense because we’re talking, you know, that season was going to end four months before he’s supposed to be at Ohio State. I think he can get that one.

00:48:05] Daniel Chamberlain He could legitimately be in spring classes at Ohio State. And yeah,

[00:48:09] Joe Daniel right, right. I think he may. I don’t. I’m not sure if he was or not. So I’m sure that happened to a lot of teams. But coach, I’ll tell you this right now. Coach Jackson between Daniel and I, your four Division One players that you had at your last year is more than either one of us is. It might be more than us combined. I’ve coached for 20 years. I probably coached. That’s not true of coach. A fair number, but not a lot of high level. We we talked about this at the beginning. You got your scholarship kids who maybe have one foot out the door because they already know they’re getting it. There’s the other kids who are stars on your team, but who legitimately are Division two. Or maybe they’re not powerful. Maybe they’re getting, you know, some some, you know, other offers coaching. Those guys can be tough, too, because they are stars on your team or in your area, especially if you’re at a small school. They’re the best player on the field a lot of the time, and they’re people who are watching them think that they are a big time star. But the reality is there’s one of them in every school across the country, and so it can be tough to coach those guys who aren’t getting those offers. And I think the big issue to me and I want to I want to hear what you think about it. The big issue to me is they start to turn and look at you because everybody else is telling them their D1 and they’re looking at you, the person who’s supposed to be responsible for getting them recruited and going, Why am I not the one? Everybody else says I’m the one.

[00:49:40] Randy Jackson Yeah, that’s I mean, I had a I had a Booster Club president. Tell me one time, Hey, coach, my kid’s done a lot for you. You know, like, what’s going on? Basically, you know, and we were five at Texas, goes to six 6a and I said, Look, six guys don’t get X amount of scholarships in an envelope and they keep in their drawer. And five, like, I don’t get the pass out scholarships. And but here’s what’s so tough, y’all always may not have you ever like the uncomfortable offer. Like who would have ever heard of that term, you know? And so I’ve got a friend of mine who coaches D1 and he used to be in the Northeast, and I’ve put something on Twitter about the uncomfortable offer or something like that. And, you know, because I’m learning so much stuff and and he said he, you know, he texted me and he said, Look, Randy, when I was at X School in the Northeast, we offered 250 kids. A year because they would retweet it, and it was free advertising for us, so. So here’s here’s the point I’m trying to make is in 2020, we have four D ones. We had a kid go to northern Iowa, Michigan State. I mean, it was cool North Texas. And so but I got another kid who’s really good and he’s getting all this love on Twitter. But he’s not getting any offers, and he’s and he’s he’s I mean, we’re, you know, we ended up ten and two that year. We had a good team, but he’s more he’s not really worried about whether we’re winning Game nine or not. He’s mad because or his feelings are hurt. And you know, so I think again, I’m not giving a solution here, but it’s so tough now because schools will. I don’t know if the word schools will date so many people. You know, they’re not monogamous at all, right? 250 offers and they’re not real offers and they want. So I think it’s something that we all have to be aware of. I think you’re right. Like, that’s another great point of it’s not just the kid going to Michigan State. And does he still have one foot in it, a kid who is wondering why he hadn’t got asked to prom yet because he’s playing like his feelings? He’s not. And, you know, I hate to say it. They’re not playing with a chip on their shoulder. You know, our kids aren’t that greedy anymore. You know, they’re playing like, Oh, woe is me. You know, they’re not playing with something to prove.

[00:51:58] Joe Daniel So I there’s not as much of a drive to go get it. It’s more like, I deserve it. And that goes a lot to the people who were talking to them, the people who are if the people who are talking to them are telling them, you need to go get it, then that kid might go, get it. But if the people are talking to him, tell him, you deserve it. That’s the way that they’re going to see it

[00:52:17] Daniel Chamberlain all to just talk about one little anecdotal story here, and then we’ll move on to some solutions. I think we’ve covered a lot of these issues, but we had a kid. My first year coaching was by far going to be the best kid on our team. Stood tall, strong, played. He ends up coming back to the team finally and was a pretty good receiver and good at quarterback. He went for an unofficial visit to another Oklahoma, a small Oklahoma school, and got one of those what you’re talking uncomfortable offers and quit football. Because the baseball team at that college had given him an offer, they gave him uncomfortable because one, like you said, it’s kind of that free advertisement. But also we have what’s called Oklahoma promise. And so as long as you apply to this thing and your parents make under a certain amount of money, the state covers your college. And he had done that. So he what it was going to cost no college anything for him to come play any kind of ball there. And so they just gave him this, the head coach and even talked to him while I was on campus, right? So they gave us this offer. I’m doing air quotes here and my camera, but gave him this offer. And he quit playing sports because of it, because he was going to be baseball only. And it took us until like week seven, six or seven to get him. I mean, he came crawling back, essentially crying upset because he knew he’d made a bad, a bad choice. But he quit on his senior year of football because he thought he had this offer. And it’s another one of those things like, Oh yeah, you’re good. You’re good. You know, it’s an outside detriment that’s just hurting your, your team, hurting that player.

[00:53:41] Joe Daniel We had a I’ll give you one anecdote and one anecdotal story about colleges dating people. We had a kid who was transferring to another school because he was told by that school that they were getting recruited and we could guess what if they’re 15 miles down the road? We talked to the same coaches. So you’ve we’re in Virginia. I can’t remember if he was. I can tell you it’s either Jim Reed or Shane Beamer at the time, but it was either Virginia, Virginia Tech came in and was, you know, our head coach was telling the story. They were here to talk to this kid. It’s like he’s gone. They were like, You know, he doesn’t think, I don’t even think they’re there to recruit him, but you know, they want to talk to him. You knew about him. And this is why they leave. And he said, Well, he says that, you know, Division One schools don’t recruit us. He said, Great. Who do you want me to send a letter to? And he’s like, I’m sorry. And he’s like, You give me a list of names and I will send every single one of them a letter of interest, not a not an offer, but I will send every single one of them a letter of interest from whether it should be at Virginia Tech. And I think you sent seven letters to kids at our school, just just just so that kid knew like you made a mistake. So there are good. There are a lot of good college coaches out there. The system may be broken, but there’s a lot of good college coaches.

[00:55:02] Daniel Chamberlain So I want to go and move into some, for the first time in a while, we’re really pushing our time here. We’re past, but

[00:55:08] Joe Daniel we have reasons.

[00:55:09] Daniel Chamberlain We do have reason. So I want to talk about how do you keep your star athletes motivated? And that’s just kind of a blanket question. So you can kind of resolve any of these issues, coach or just what are you doing in your locker room or on the field to keep your guys from quitting on themselves and kind of things we’ve talked about here tonight?

[00:55:25] Randy Jackson OK, so I’ve got a ton of things like I’m going to try not to just ramble, guys. So but here’s what we do. Have you ever seen the movie Moneyball? And Billy Beane is like, Hey, one day this is going to be over. We can’t keep people on, you know, relationships and things like it’s about talent and all when that talent ends. And so we’re going to show them that Moneyball clip and say, Hey, it’s going to be over one day, you know, you got you have talent, just like I have blue eyes. God gave me this boy. He gave you this talent. You know, now you’ve worked hard and all this, but you were given a gift and one day it’s going to be over. Now this again, this isn’t going to work on every kid, but it’s going to work on some of them. There’s a book out there that everyone needs to read. It’s by Sam Walker’s called the Captain Class. And so I’m going to in the summers, I’m going to take eight kids to lunch and we’ll do it once a week. So I’m going to take, you know, 60 kids to lunch and I’m going to talk about this movie, the captain class and why. Stay here, guys? I’ve told this story so many times. I think I can do it pretty quick. But Sam Walker identified all the dynasties in pro sports since the beginning of time. OK, and settle all 17 of them. And you had to win four championships in six years. So it’s like U.S. women’s soccer, the 90s, the Spurs of the 90s, the Celtics are the 60s. It’s fascinating. And what he said was, what do they all have in common? And they didn’t have the greatest coaches. They didn’t have the most expensive roster. They didn’t have the MVP of the league. They all had a captain who was a servant. And so I’ll break all this down for them and talk about, you know, it’s a I’ll show them the Gerald McCoy video if you guys can or he’s picking up helmets after practice. And so we just talk about, I think whatever you celebrate is what you duplicate. So we’re celebrating cat servant. And you know, this is a gift. What are you going to do with it? And again, we know it’s not going to work on everybody, but it’s going to work on some. We’re not giving any awards to like good players, right? That’s not how you get celebrated in our program. Most valuable skill player, you know, is a gift from God. We’re going to give out our core value awards, so our core values are going to be something that we can define, something that’s measurable and that’s what we’re going to celebrate. So like at our football banquet, we’re going to give out a family award, you know, like we’re going to we’re going to send a Google formed our players and say, Who picked you up? You know, who’s the guy who, if you had a flat tire, is going to come pick you up, you know, that kind of thing. And so I think you have to really, really work hard on explaining to them who Tim Duncan type of person was. You know, what is a really good leader? And then you have to just celebrate the heck out of the stuff that you want to see. And you know, you don’t after practice, like for us, it was competition Tuesday. Well, I’m going to ask a D-Linemen. Hey, which offensive lineman got after you the most today? He’s going to nominate. We’re going to bring him up. DB, which receiver was the most competitive in? So we’re going to do this and we’re gonna have what six kids come up from each different and we’re going to take their picture and we’re going to tweet it and we’re going to celebrate the guys who are not worried about photo shoots on Twitter. You know, so more stuff, right? But like, you know, I just go on and on, but you know, we make them earn things, you know, like after the season, we’re taking them all out of RC locker room. They’ve got to earn their way back into it. So I think the more things you can make them earn, the more you can show them what a serving captain looks like and the more you can celebrate it. I think you’re on the right track, at least to fight it. I mean, again, it’s a battle. I feel like we’re almost like police officers, you know, in New York City, right? You just you’re just fighting the battle. It’s one we’re not going to just ever win win total. We’re just going to win some of them.

[00:59:29] Joe Daniel There’s so much competition. I wonder it’s a lot of what you’re saying comes out of that buzz word culture and you’ve obviously done a lot of work with that coach has an excellent book, which I’m sure we’ll talk about. But the fact is, if you have that established or if you’re doing a good job of establishing a new program or if you’re new to a program, then it’s going to be so much easier to. Whereas if if you don’t have these things in place, if it’s all about who’s the best player who’s getting a scholarship, if you don’t have that leadership core going on, if you don’t establish a quarterback values one of the things that I took from Coach Jackson and also Rick Stewart was when my brief stint as a head coach we did that we had every day was a was a theme and our kids every single day, they knew those things, they knew what was going on. And so I think we did a good job of establishing that. And again, a lot with your help, your guys have to know that there is more than. Wins and losses and scholarships, because if it’s all just wins and losses and scholar, if they believe that it’s all wins and losses in scholarships or worse, it’s all stats and scholarships, you’re not going to get those wins, you’re going to get beat by somebody who has those things in place with practice. I’d be just again, we have everything in place. Do you have any ideas for practice elevating the competition for a guy who, let’s be honest, there’s no competition on that field. For him, he’s just the best. How can we elevate a practice to force him to compete a little bit?

[01:01:10] Randy Jackson Who can’t is such a good question.

[01:01:12] Joe Daniel So I asked you and didn’t answer it.

[01:01:14] Randy Jackson I mean, he’s the only, you know, he’s the only dude out there, right? I don’t I don’t know if I have a great answer for it. I just know we’re going to compete all the time, and I’m going to tell them that when somebody beats you in practice, you ought to thank them because they’re getting you better. And so we’re going to try to put that guy in situations as much as we can. You know, if he’s a D-Linemen, we’re going to double team him, you know, we’re going to do whatever we can, but we’re going to put him in those situations. But I do think competition is something in practice that most people don’t do enough of. And I think the more you do that probably well, you know, the more a kid isn’t just like if you’re just doing team against the scout team or something. Well, this kid who thinks he’s D1, he’s he’s just successful. The whole practice will mauling freshmen. Yeah, yeah, right. I think I think you have to put them if I ever go back to a small school, I’m going to do half line, but I’m going to find a way to get good on good and and at least when my guys, you know, they’re having to earn stuff in practice as much as possible. I don’t think I answered that very well, but I’m going to, if I got one is better than everybody else. I’m going to stay up all night to go two on one against him or something and put him in a bad situation.

[01:02:38] Joe Daniel We picked up one thing from and again, this works when you have a good football team and it’s tougher when you don’t. Lou Johnson, who’s the coach here, was a coach here in Virginia. We’ve had him on the podcast before. One of the things I got from Lou was, you don’t you don’t have to have a Lebanon scout team. You know, he’s talking from the offensive from the offensive standpoint. But the fact remains, you don’t have to have one on scouting. You can put 13 or 14 out there. It could be double covering that slot receiver. It could be put in two guys over top. Just and let’s take it from an offensive lineman standpoint. I’m not really challenging him because he’s still just he’s got his offensive line roles. But his rules are a little tougher when there’s nine guys in the box instead of six, and he’s got to figure out the count and all this sort of stuff. And like, I’m just now mentally challenging you where I agree with everything you said because we actually mentioned it earlier briefly. Half line, good on good, that kind of thing. But absolutely. Here’s where just after I put you on the spot, this popped into my head that we had also mentioned earlier. Here’s where I think you can make those kids better again. If you are not a detail oriented coach, this is not going to work for you. If you are results based, that kid’s results are always going to be phenomenal because he’s just better. But if you are into the detail and you don’t get into the weeds of the detail with everybody like you are with this guy, but if you are into the details talking about a stud quarterback, right, that ball is completed. Great. If there had been a division one corner over top of him is not. You need to put it six inches lower. You need to put it six inches in front. The route is seven big, two little eyes back to the quarterback. The hands were, you know, your hands are up, your hands are down. If you’re talking to offensive linemen, how long is this step? Where’s the aiming point? Your point of attack was wrong. Your contact was wrong. And not just I’m not talking about belittling berating the kid to make him feel like he’s not that good. I’m talking about, Hey, look, I’m going to sit down with that kid. I’m going to say, Look, you understand something, you’re better than everybody else on this field. I can’t coach you like everybody else in this field, but I’m going to be on you about every little detail because eventually you will run into somebody who will take advantage of the fact that you’re sloppy in your details because you can get away with it against the average.

[01:04:51] Randy Jackson And I’ll tell you, something popped in my head that I’d really like to, you know? You know, I’m thinking as you’re talking, if I have a kid, here’s how we graded practice, and I think this is the best thing I’m going to say on this podcast. We graded effort in practice. So if I got one stud player and he’s better than everybody else, I’m still grading this effort. So here’s how we would great effort this go offensive players. It doesn’t matter. It works for everybody. We’ll go receiver lineman’s the easiest for me to talk about. But when you pause the play, when you think the whistle blew and there’s three things that are happening, this is I got this from Tom Herman. You’re either engaged or you’re chasing or is a loaf. And so if you have a team of twenty five and not twenty four are not very good one kids going to Penn State. He could still have seven loaves that day. And we’re going to punish you for loaves. So I wanted to say that because I do think like, you know, if the best DB, you have five eight and he’s six four, he’s probably still going to win. But if you release great effort now he’s going out there and he just can’t put it on a pollock. You know, Autopilot just kind of get through practice because I’m the man because we’re going to punish you forever, loaf. And the fact that you punish, you know, when we’ll get to where we punish the whole, we’ll punish the whole offense, you know, that kind of deal.

[01:06:20] Joe Daniel Yeah, you can’t. You can’t let him catch eight bad balls over the five foot a corner and think he had a good day when he didn’t run block on a single play. I definitely like that one, for sure.

[01:06:31] Randy Jackson And again, we celebrate it. So I think so. Here’s what we do. The receiver who graded the best the day before he gets up. So we, our offense, would wear white. Well, there would have we’d have an alarming gray because he graded the best in his effort. That’s all we graded, and we didn’t grade the whole practice. Here’s what I tell my coaches. We’re going to go about 30 plays a pretty intense. I want you to grade 10 or 12 level and I want you to post it. They don’t know which plays are going to get graded, but we’d have a receiver in a grade jersey. We’d have a o linemen in a grade jersey. And then our tight end running back and quarterbacks were a group. So we have three kids in gray jerseys and our practices were really good because we celebrated. And we also punished. You know, I don’t think you can do one or the other. I think if you just punish furloughs, your culture is not, you know, it’s like that t shirt. You know, the beatings will continue until morale improves, you know? And so I think I think you can’t just celebrate either. I think you got to do both.

[01:07:30] Daniel Chamberlain I know way too much about that. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Reminds me of Kuwait, but I as a bad deployment anyway.

[01:07:41] Joe Daniel They all sound bad to me.

[01:07:43] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, basically we’ve never had. Well, I guess kind of we have to go back to that guy. We were talking, I told you about earlier who quit the team for baseball and came back. That’s something we had to get out of him when he got back because he was immediately the best kid on the team. I mean, as soon as he put that jersey on and we got had to kind of talk him down from bullying the other players because he’s got a wide receiver that’s now starting over him because he’s been there for the whole year and he’s not as good. Right. And so he just smacks talk and even when he’s on Scout D and he wants to bully him. But it was his turn to show off as the starter. He kind of like, turned it down, like he was almost scared. And that effort did go away. As soon as he didn’t have a little kid to pick on, his effort was definitely going away. And it showed in games, I mean, we could even playing a game because he was so scared of the guy across from him that he was just going to give up a big play or not make the big play, whatever. But so I like what you said about just grading effort, because that would have been, who cares if you can jump, you know, 12 inches higher than that guy and catch that ball or whatever your brute force, push that kid over. That doesn’t matter to me, right? It’s that effort.

[01:08:47] Joe Daniel I think that that with me, that one thing, I think about that because I’ve coached those kids to the bullies and they never come out that same intensity on Friday night as they had beaten up. You jab kid on Wednesday. To me with that kid that you’re talking about, that goes a lot to that kid had no confidence, and that goes back to what we always talk about. That kid may have been the best player on the field, but he was scared to death to find out that he wasn’t. And so you just turn it down. I think it’s a confidence issue.

[01:09:17] Daniel Chamberlain I push that back on what we’re talking about earlier. Everybody’s in his ear telling him how good he is.

[01:09:21] Joe Daniel Well, he was gone for six weeks of your the time you’d be building that confidence do right, right?

[01:09:25] Daniel Chamberlain Yep. And then everyone tells him, Oh, you’re the best and the kids are generally scared of him. He was built like a freaking rock man. He could bring the heat. But yeah, that confidence was definitely not there. Excellent. So we’ve kind of we’ve covered quite a big deal. So coach in the details that we’re talking about, ways that we solve the issues now outside sources, you know, coach, you brought up using the Moneyball clip, which I’ve seen a thousand times myself and talking about servant captains. And I think that’s wonderful. It does build culture, which does, I think, level the playing field for those star athletes, right? You have to bring them back down and make them realize you’re still not better than this team. I’ve heard that quite a bit the last year, being a Sooners fan and losing our coach and all. And you know, that was the big message is no one player is bigger. No one coach is bigger than this team ever than the brand. And even though I’ve had to watch that at the collegiate level, I’m always building my little toolbox of when someday I will be a head coach, and that’s definitely going to be in there. And then the awards, I’ve never heard of not giving out performance awards, but you make a very good point. It doesn’t matter what your performance was like, you played probably to the level of your skill, which you probably didn’t. You were. You were gifted that like. You said I think that’s awesome. And then coach in the details, I think we’ve just about covered everything unless there’s just a burning solution you either of you guys would love to put out there.

[01:10:42] Randy Jackson No, I appreciate it. I think it’s a great topic, you know, and it’s just going to get. I mean, it isn’t going away. You know, I mean, you name, image and likeness, right? I mean, it’s just it’s everywhere. So I appreciate you guys want to tackle it and you got me better tonight, for sure. So thanks for having me on.

[01:11:02] Joe Daniel I think we’re always hoping for those stars to come in where it’s like like you said, it’s not always, you know, fun and games when they do come in, when they do show up. It’s not so. So it’s important to have some sort of a plan for like like Daniel, you talked about, you haven’t had that, you had kind of one, but you haven’t had that kid show up who was just like a stud. You got to have a plan for when they do because I know a lot of coaches are like, Do we don’t ever have guys like that coach long enough? You will have one.

[01:11:30] Randy Jackson And even if they’re not, even if they’re sort of good, I mean, even if they’re a starter and they’re really not D1 or anything, but they have that attitude. You still, in fact, it’s funny. I mean, I’d like to say this. I was talking to another coach today, and we were talking about sort of, you know, your culture and how do you make sure your assistant coaches are in on it and your players? I said, you know, I think know every coach ought to have a Google drive. And so if you need to cut this out, guys, this might be too far out there. But every coach ought to have a Google drive. And I have the Moneyball clip in there. It ought to have some articles. It ought to have a couple of podcasts. It ought to have. And then when a new player comes into your program, you say, OK, here’s a Google drive. This is what we’re about, OK, and I’m going to give you a test over it because otherwise it might take him six weeks to kind of acclimate. And I know, I know that isn’t going to just solve everything. But again, I thought of today, if I if I’m, you know, well, I’m going to Germany and we’re going to have guys from 16 different countries and I’ve been zooming with them. But here’s what I need to do. I need to make a Google drive and put. Here’s what we’re going to be about. You know, like, this is what I hope we are. And there’s something there, you know, like because I think you us three would all agree if we were all on the same staff and some star player moved in with all three. Look at each other, probably and go, OK, now we know what we’re going to do, but how do we get this kid? It’s, you know, it’s a day before training camp starts. How do we fast forward this kid into our culture?

[01:13:11] Joe Daniel Yeah, I like the good thing about the Google Drive is you would also find out what you’ve got because they’re going to watch it or they’re not. And that’ll give you a good idea what you’re working with. So it’s a nice little great first test.

[01:13:25] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah.

[01:13:25] Randy Jackson Sometimes when you see, you know, just to see like I was talking to some kids the other day and I said, you know, I haven’t been to Germany yet, but we’ve been zoom in and we have a WhatsApp, and I already know who I’m going to want to coach the most because the ones who are most invested when they don’t have to be. And I think if you had a Google drive, it would. It would make you as a coach better. Here’s what I want my players like. Here’s a, you know, here’s a syllabus. Maybe, you know, I mean, I know it’s not end all, be all. So it’s going to make you better and then you’re going to see if that player comes in gives a crap or not, you know? And both of those are good things.

[01:14:02] Daniel Chamberlain Well, Joe, I think it’s time to pay the bills. Wrap things up.

[01:14:05] Joe Daniel Well, I think first, Coach Jackson, I want to thank you for being on our podcast again. I know that you have some materials, obviously, that a lot of coaches will be interested in. You want to tell other coaches how they can get a hold of you and learn more from you and your resources.

[01:14:25] Randy Jackson Well, thank you. You know, I’ve got a website like, you know, a lot of people do CoachRandyJackson.com. I’ve written a couple of books that we’re writing on about a fourth grade reading level, so I try to make them simple. It’s really paint by numbers of culture and stuff like that and leadership stuff. And so anyway, yeah, I do a mastermind where I interview coaches all of his recorded in of all four members, and then I do an offensive system called fast and wide. That is really simple. And all that stuff’s on the website, but I love coaches. And if you want to connect, I’ll sit there and talk to you for a long time because I can’t get enough of it. So I appreciate you guys. I mean, this is first class and you guys do it right. So thanks for having me on.

[01:15:14] Daniel Chamberlain If coach, I’ll ask for a quick before Joe ask something else. But if somebody wanted to reach out to you today, what would be the best way for them to contact? Is it Twitter or email?

[01:15:22] Randy Jackson Thank you. I should have my e-mails. Coach my email is CoachRandy Jackson@gmail.com. My Twitter is CoachJacksonTPW. Stands for tough people win. But yeah, I’m pretty easy to. Pretty easy to get in touch with and love to connect.

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[01:16:41] Daniel Chamberlain Joe tweets too. I’ve seen it.

[01:16:43] Joe Daniel Well, I do tweet. I do tweet occasionally.

[01:16:45] Daniel Chamberlain I shared one the other day. I think,

[01:16:47] Joe Daniel yeah, yeah.

[01:16:48] Daniel Chamberlain So we’re talking about Twitter, where you at on Twitter there Joe.

[01:16:51] Joe Daniel I am @footballinfo on the Twitter machine

[01:16:55] Daniel Chamberlain and Facebook is your other one correct?

[01:16:57] Joe Daniel I do have a Facebook. Yes, Facebook.com/JoeDanielFootball

[01:17:01] Daniel Chamberlain Question mark. Don’t put that in football. I am. I’m on Twitter at @CoachChamboOK. and the podcast is at the @theFBCP on Twitter. So we’re trying to share things on there asking questions, doing the good stuff. So feel free to get on there and interact with us. Ask us questions. Since some DMs, whatever you need,

[01:17:25] Joe Daniel we’re going to get to once. Once we got the 3-4 system, all ironed it out, ironed it out, ironed out somewhere and somewhere in the summer. We’re going to get all this before my life shuts down in July for a little bit.

[01:17:37] Daniel Chamberlain So perfect. Well, Coach Jackson, thanks again for coming on. We’re very much so. Appreciate it.

[01:17:41] Randy Jackson Thank you, guys. I appreciate everything you do, and I’ll certainly spread the word. Great podcast you guys do awesome.

[01:17:49] Joe Daniel Perfect coach. Thanks a lot, coach. Thanks for listening to the episode. The Football Coaching Podcast Remember Coach simple, play fast, win.