RPO Plays To Help Your Offensive Line | FBCP S10E18

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[00:00:41] Daniel Chamberlain Hey, welcome back, coaches, this is The Football Coaching Podcast. We’re on episode 18 of this season so that things are going quick. I am Daniel Chamberlain. I’m here with Joe Daniel as always

[00:00:55] Joe Daniel How you doing, coach?

[[00:00:56] Daniel Chamberlain Man, good. Tonight’s a good episode. I’m excited. We’ve got Coach Lynn Shackelford in. Coach. I know not a lot of people on the East Coast especially are going to know you. here in Oklahoma We’re pretty comfortable with your name. Go ahead, introduce yourself, sir.

00:01:10] Lynn Shackelford Yeah, my name’s Lynn Shackelford. I’m the head football coach at Cashin High School, Oklahoma we’re a class A football school, which is the smallest classification of 11 man football in Oklahoma. This is my 18th year to be at Cashin. We were eight man for the first six years and I think that I was there and switched in 2006. i don’t know if that math adds up. But anyway, we’ve been elected mayor since 2006 and, you know, really been fairly successful in 11 man made the playoffs every year, won at least one playoff game every year. But the first year that we went and we’ve been in the state finals five of the last eight years. So it’s it’s been a pretty good run so far. And, you know, hopefully we can figure out a way to kind of keep it, keep it rolling a little bit.

[00:01:58] Daniel Chamberlain: Yeah, five out of eight years. That’s pretty impressive for having just moved up here. I’m sure you know, Kenny Ridley, he’s been kind of my mentor. He’s down at Wilson. And yeah, you know, they had the numbers in school to move up to Class A, and I think they chose to actually just stay at 8 man level and just forego the postseason for a couple of years because I mean, that’s tough. That’s a big jump.

[00:02:18] Lynn Shackelford: Yeah, no, it really is. You know, we were we were forced to go up as the reason had, you know, eight minutes capped. It’s 80 now and seventy two back in 2000, I guess it would have been 2004 or or five whenever the redistrict deal came out. And it was I mean, it was a big deal in Cashin and it was time to get a lot of the older people, you know, that really didn’t want to do it. Then you had some, you know, some of the most of the players parents were kind of for it because these kids are kind of grown up playing Little League 11 man and they wanted to, you know, wanted to kind of make the jump and the travel in 8 man for us was crazy. I mean, we were a district with Duer and Lincoln with Go, which you don’t live in. Oklahoma doesn’t mean anything, but you know, our road road district games were three hours, two and a half, three hours every time we had to go on the road. So making the switch was kind of nice from that standpoint. Then, you know, we’ve we’ve kind of we’ve been way more successful in 11 man than we ever were in Eight-Man. So it’s it’s worked out well for us. And you know, we’ve like I said, we’ve we’ve been fortunate enough to be pretty successful.

[00:03:28] Joe Daniel: When you say cap just because I don’t know what that means, we don’t have 8 man. Said they moved capped at seventy two to 80. What does that mean?

[00:03:36] Lynn Shackelford: Yeah. So the way the rule in Oklahoma is, any class A school can play can petition to play eight minutes or so. It used to not be a problem. Back when they first started playing 8-man football, they were like twenty four teams that did it. Then it went up to like thirty two and then it kind of grew. And then there was a whole bunch of teams like teams like Wilson, for example, that weren’t being weren’t successful when a man didn’t have the numbers to compete. So they kind of started to be a flood of schools that wanted to go play. And the idea behind 8-man in Oklahoma originally was for small schools. That was a way for them to compete. So they wanted the eight man guys wanted to make sure that, you know, they kind of kept that idea in place, so they put a cap on the number of teams that could play 8 man. So it’s all based off your ADA. So let’s say, you know, like it’s 80 right now, and I don’t know what the cutoff is number wise, but let’s just say it’s, you know, if you have one hundred and fifty, one hundred and fifty kids in school and that’s the biggest eight man school, then if you have a hundred and fifty two and you want to play, you can’t play.

[00:04:42] Joe Daniel: Gotcha. Yeah, because I could see we have schools or I sometimes talk to schools and we don’t have a man here in Virginia, and I will indulge in the Oklahoma talk because when we have coaches in Virginia, we talk about all the schools in Virginia. But yeah, so but I do talk to some teams that are in like the western part of our state out towards West Virginia and the mountains and stuff. And while some of those schools are just, you know, juggernauts, some of them have a really, really hard time getting players out. And so I guess that’s a good way to, you know, you don’t want to have a school that has 400 kids, just pick their best athletes and roll, you know, roll into eight-man and dominate. I know it’s not what we started to talk about, but because we want to talk about your offense. But again, it’s my show. I know whenever everyone want. So we have a lot of eight man coaches and not a lot because there’s not a lot of coaches, but we have eight man. As you come into Joe Daniel Football and they have questions about how do I adapt these, you know, 11 man schemes to eight man or we have we do have teams that transition from eight man to 11 man and we have nine man with 10 man, which I just don’t understand. Like where really? How’s that one extra guy help? I don’t know. Obviously, we have 12 man Canadian coaches. We have six man, eight man and some nine men. And my one of my things has always been. I think the eight man game is excellent. It makes sense. It fits with the the principles of football, right? Especially when you play with the I don’t know if you guys were playing with the smaller field. I don’t wanna spend too much time on it.

[00:06:16] Lynn Shackelford: I know, we know. I grew up in football with the high school awesome, which was an eight man powerhouse, especially the years that I was there. But yeah, the field you can play on an 80 yard field. I think the rules are 80 by 40, right? There’s not a lot of schools that play on the 80 yard field anymore in Oklahoma. All of them were 40 yards wide. So it’s I tell people this all the time and the biggest to me. The biggest difference between the two games is on defense. You know, offensively, block down kickout is block down and kick out. Option’s option post route’s a post route. But defensively, it’s a lot harder to play defense in eight-man and contain people. You know, when you’re on the hash and you’re going to the to the field. I mean, it’s there’s a lot of room out there and there’s a lot of opportunity for one on one situations. And you know, a lot of your defensive linemen have to be 2-gap defensive linemen all the time, which is again something that not everybody teaches in 11-man, you know, you can you can be really gap sound in 11 man defensively, eight man, it’s a little bit harder. So and and I think I haven’t watched the three man game since we went up to 11 man, but I do watch some every now and then. A lot of the a lot of the schemes from from 11 man are making their way into Eight-Man. Now you see a lot more spread and see a lot more jet sweep. You see a lot more stress on the perimeter. It’s not just, you know, 16 guys, five yard area making a fist fight every week, which is what it was for a long time. That causes some people some problems.

[00:08:00] Joe Daniel: It seems like one of the biggest offensive advantages is going to get most of the coaches that I work. We have some coaches who will run some of our offensive systems in 8-man and it’s again offense is offense to me. There’s only a handful of plays out there. Option is option. Power is power but on the defense you start, you talk about, you know, we got to figure out these gaps. And to me, one of the biggest things is if you have those, you know, like you’re talking about, maybe back in the day, everybody just lined up five linemen I formation and just go, and now you like, you split these guys out. Now you’ve got four wide, you know, you got your two 10 personnel or whatever, you’re an empty and those numbers add up. Yeah, it’ll be empty. But when you start splitting these guys out and you go from three linemen to five linemen like that, to me is what what it’s so hard is like. Eight man isn’t like 11 man where it seems like a lot of teams can go between their schemes and do different things just using the space on the field, I guess.

[00:08:58] Lynn Shackelford: No for sure, you know, and another to think about, you know, like your five linemen in eight man two of them are tight ends. You know, they’re going to be eligible. They can also pull and they can also. And so when you look at the other side of it, you got to have corners that can cover and that can basically set the edge in run game. You have to have a safety, depending on what kind of defense you run, you know, I mean, those guys have to be run fit guys right now, depending on who you play. And then because here’s the other thing, and it’s a lot like class A, and I’m sure it’s it’s this in every state. I don’t know this for sure, but you go watch the six A game in Oklahoma and outside of, I don’t know, three or four teams. Everybody kind of, let’s say everybody’s in the spread, you know, everybody runs the same offense. It’s like the NFL. Yeah, right? It’s like the NFL. Every now and then you’ll come across, you know, Yukon will run the flexible, you know, Jenks is in the eye. But but the more you trickle down from what I’ve seen like for us, we’ll defend spread one week, Wing-T one week flexbone one week “I” one week, you know, multiple the next week and defensively we’ll see, you know, three front, five front 6-2 like we saw in the finals. So I mean, and eight man is a lot like that, too. So you have to you have defensively, you’re coaching these kids all the time to basically they have to. I mean, they all have to be run fit guys, and most of them have to be able to cover. So it and and you’re talking about the smaller schools in Oklahoma with the least number of kids. So finding those guys to do that is is a problem. And if you’re playing somebody, that’s got some freaks and you got a big problem.

[00:10:40] Daniel Chamberlain: Yeah, we were talking before we came on about like it just takes two or three kids, right? I mean, when you get that small, you got one guy who can throw it. One guy can run it. You’re in trouble or you’re your, well, the other guys are in trouble.

[00:10:52] Lynn Shackelford: So yeah,

[00:10:53] Joe Daniel: yeah, well, I was. But before we go, what was the what was the biggest? And I’m sure going to talk a little bit about this. We talk about your scheme, but transitioning from eight man to 11 man, what was the what was the biggest challenge in that defensively?

[00:11:07] Lynn Shackelford: For sure. I was telling Daniel, You know, when we went, we we just started over offensively. I mean, we scrapped everything that we had done in eight man. I mean, we called formations completely different. Terminology changed completely. Iit was a lot easier for us because I mean, like I said, you can you can teach counter and teach zone and you can teach a post route, you know how to throw it, whatever. But defensively, that was the biggest problem for us and really finding guys fit in positions was a problem for us. Just because, you know, you go from an eight man, you’ve got, you know, maybe maybe two legit defensive linemen that you really ever put on the field and you got a whole bunch of maybe defensive back type kids. And now you’re in class A and you’re going to get somebody that’s, you know, in the I and just running power football at you all the time you all the time and you’ve got to get these guys will stand in their take on that fight. That was the biggest problem for us. And it really, I’ll be honest with you. It took us probably seven or eight years, really. So where we got to the point where defensively we could, we could compete at the same level we could offensively. I mean, we kind of got out of the mindset of, well, we’ll just hope we get it last. And really, that’s that’s been the biggest difference for us. Like I said, we’ve been in the finals five of the last eight years and really for the last eight years, we’ve played pretty good defense and that’s been the biggest probably reason why we’ve been able to be successful and we’ve had and we’ve had great quarterback play.

[00:12:46] Joe Daniel: There’s guys listening to this, absolutely salivating at the idea of only having to put two defensive linemen on the field. I think that is everybody’s single biggest defensive concern is like, I don’t have any or I only have one or only have two. And you know, that’s that’s from small towns everywhere on off is everybody. I think I don’t know who’s well, there’s that there’s that handful of elite schools, you know, and then everybody else is too small, you know, like, we’re all thinking. So I mean, did you focus in on one side when you first transition knowing that? I mean, you don’t have a ton of players, you’re probably going from having only eight guys playing. I mean, I can’t imagine your first year. You don’t have a lot of returning starters because three positions, obviously, you know, did you did you focus in and just say, Hey, look, we’re not going to stop a lot of people, so let’s sling it?

[00:13:38] Lynn Shackelford: I mean, yes, I mean, the first year for sure, I knew that it was going to be a problem defensively. For one thing, I was offensive coordinator at Perry for two years, so I had had a little bit of 11 man, you know, background offensively. But for the first year at Perry, I was so much in over my head just trying to call plays that, you know, you really I can. I can tell you if it’s cover or cover three or you know what we have to attack or whatever. If it’s man, we’re getting pressure. But I couldn’t tell you how to coach cover 2 or cover 3 or, you know, zone pressures. So when we went to 11 man, that was the biggest problem for me. We didn’t really have anybody on staff that had ever coached 11 man before. So that was that was a huge transition. And I knew just from watching other people make the transition that defensively it was going to be a problem. So and we had a really good quarterback. He went on and won a national championship at Valdosta State. And so we just we dumped a whole bunch on him and he was a really good athlete. We had some pretty good wideouts. We told our offensive linemen to get run over slowly and we chunked it around the yard and then he got hurt and everything kind of went south. But yeah, and I’ll say this, and I don’t have any problem saying it. Kids like playing offense. I mean, it’s so that part of it was easy for them to, yeah, this is cool. You know, we’re going to throw it everywhere, we could score, a whole bunch of us are going to get our name of the paper. You know, it was kind of it was kind of a double edged sword. It worked out great. But also our kids were kind of like, Yeah, I don’t really know if I want to play defense? We’re just going to get it back and we can go score so long as we’re winning. Fifty two point forty nine. What’s the matter with? Which is great. Until you played somebody that could stop us and then, you know, that was generally when our season ended.

[00:15:28] Joe Daniel: I can’t believe you laughed at that Daniel. Laughed at the get run over slowly.

[00:15:33] Daniel Chamberlain: I’ve never heard that. Never. So new to this, so I don’t get all your your fun sayings from 1958, like

[00:15:42] Joe Daniel: it’s not from 1958. It’s pass protection, nobody in 1958 was telling guys to get run over slowly because they were they were running the football. I have, so I have like 2 offensive linemen, we’re 3A, we’re the smallest 3A. So it’s about 750 kids, which is probably much larger than some of the schools that you’re playing. But we had like one kid that had ever played a varsity football game on the offensive line. They graduated four seniors. So this is my first year there. And that was, you know, get run over slowly. Pass protection is nothing but protect the inside inside is the fastest path to the quarterback. Get run over slowly. And so my my one or two like experienced offensive lineman, it’s hilarious when they coach the JV guys or they coach a guy who’s getting brought up to fill in a spot and they’re like, Dude, all you have to do is get in the way and get run over slowly, and that’s it

[00:16:36] Daniel Chamberlain: might make a T-shirt. That’s that’s my new favorite football saying.

[00:16:39] Joe Daniel: It’s not inspiring, but it works.

[00:16:41] Lynn Shackelford: Thanks. Yeah. No, it’s coaching 101. You can talk all you want about kick step, punch and retreat, but the end day just don’t give up a sack.

[00:16:52] Joe Daniel: I I spend all of my time with our kids, with our offensive linemen working on their first two steps, and I tell them if you can, because the ball is supposed to be out in our offense and imagine your offense to which we’ll get to and eventually we’ll get to that. But the ball is supposed to be out in basically, you know, two and a half seconds, three seconds, Max and I spend all my time on the first two steps. If you have a head up, this is your first two steps. If you have it inside shade, if you have an outside shade, a wide, you know, if you got a wide nine or whatever, these are your first two steps and from that point, just stay in front of him. But these first two steps are to get your position to where you’re in front of that guy and then you just from that point, stay in front of him and hold on and we’ll be OK.

[00:17:34] Lynn Shackelford: You know, hope for the best

[00:17:35] Joe Daniel: little guys, man. I got, look, I got a kid. I got a kid who’s never played varsity football, the kid who’s got a scholarship to Virginia Tech across from him. It looks like a 270 pounds and his abs are sticking out of his jersey. OK, we’ve got to come up with something. It ain’t kick, kick, punch, punch,

[00:17:51] Lynn Shackelford: no, no call a screen.

[00:17:54] Lynn Shackelford: Be a speed bump. I like it. So, coach, we brought you on the night to talk RPOs and like, like coach Daniel said, here we will eventually get to it so might as well move in now, you know, right off the bat, we kind of want to talk about why you would use RPOs. We’ve covered quite a bit of that with the transition from eight to 11 man, right? You need to score a lot of points. But beyond that, why would a 11 man offense if you were a guy, was a new coach going to introduce this or install this this year? Can you explain some of the benefits and why he would want to use that concept?

[00:18:25] Lynn Shackelford: Well, I’ll be honest with you, the reason that we did it, we started doing it in 2015. 2014 We went to the finals and we were really good up front on the offensive line and we had probably close to 50 kids playing football, had a senior class, a huge almost 20 kids in it. They were all really good and really they only we brought back a quarterback. And I think two wideouts, maybe a running back, we lost pretty much everything. So we went from forty five kids to 25 kids because we had a freshman class that’s tiny came up and then we had a bunch of kids get hurt early on. And really, we started the season with about twenty four to 23 kids playing football and offensive line. We had no returning starters on the offensive line. So we were young. We had our left guard was a wide out year before. Our starting center was a corner when he was a freshman. I mean, it was really just we had the we went to team camp that summer and my offensive line coach and like we’re not gonna win a game and I said, We’ll be all right. We’ll figure out something. So I kind of got to the point where I was like, We’ve got to figure out a way, if we can, we can run the football. For one thing, I don’t want to get my brains beat in, you know, because we had to throw it every down I wanted to be able to, you know, if we had to, we played some, that was really good. We could chew some clock, whatever. Well, then I got to get to looking at it and especially in smaller schools. I think it’s I think it’s really great because everybody practices like we practice. You’ve got the same guy as a player on offense that play defense. So you spend your, on a good day, maybe your 40 minutes of defense, 40 minutes of offense, you know, 15 minutes of that might be individual defense or some group work. You’re doing some inside run that you do. 7 on 7, it depends on the day, whatever. So I got to looking at it well, how we coached our linebackers was. You see a run, what do you do? You got to fit. And you got to go right now. So we kind of I kind of looked at that as well. Let’s we can’t block the second level because we can’t get to them. So I told my offensive line coach I was like, Let’s just stop. Let’s stop trying to block linebackers and let’s read them and let’s throw the ball where they’re supposed to be. Or outside linebacker, overhangs or safeties or whatever. But let’s stop. Let’s just try to get as good as we can up front at blocking the first level. We’ll double team every time we can, and we won’t worry about the second level. So we started it really about the second game of the year. We played Luther, who was way better than us and way more talent, and we kind of went into it with about three different ones that we were going to do based on what we saw. And we drilled it all week with our quarterback and we would have a coach stand there and tell the linebacker, Okay, run fit, don’t run fit, whatever. And we were just kind of replacing him with slants, and we scored 40 points in the first half against Luther. We kind of ran out of gas in the second half, but that was kind of where it was born. And so we we just kind of kept doing it. And what we found out was by the end of the year, we had done it so much that coaches were telling their linebackers not to fit. When they played us, they were just kind of stand there. So then we were able to run the football really from about week eight all the way through the playoffs and we got beat in the finals by a team that was way better than us, but we had no business being there to begin with. But that was that was kind of that was kind of the evolution of it for me. And then we’ve just kind of kept doing it some years. We’ve done it more than others can. And depending on who our quarterback is, you know, it’s kind of like if you’re if you’re zone read team and you’ve got a quarterback that can run, zone read is really great. You know, if you’re a RPO team and don’t have a quarterback that can read it or throw it very well, it’s not. It’s not very good, but we’ve been pretty fortunate around here. I’ve had two brothers that have played for me in the last nine years, and they’ve both thrown one of them through four eleven thousand yards, one threw for ten thousand yards. So that’s, you know, that helps at our level. So that’s kind of that’s kind of how it was born for me. And I would tell anybody that coaches small school football, especially if you can do it, you don’t do a bunch. I mean, yeah, pick one, pick one RPO a week, you know, pick one one linebacker you can mess with or one outside linebacker that you could mess with and just kind of go from there. And you can, you know, we we run RPOs and throw bubbles and we run RPOs and throw slants run RPOs and throw post. It just kind of depends on, you know, how we want to attack whoever it is we’re playing that week. But it’s it’s allowed us. I’ll be honest with you, it’s allowed us to to be able to run the football consistently with offensive linemen that if you saw him walk in the hall, you would think there’s no way that kid plays offensive linemen on a really good football team.

[00:23:43] Joe Daniel: I think that’s one of the one of the best reasons that I’ve heard for RPOs. And you hear, you know, a lot of people say, and with RPO, you know, you’re going to be the defense is going to be wrong no matter what. And that’s great. The defense is also going to be wrong no matter what. If you run split back veer, the defense is also going to be wrong no matter what if you run zone read option so the, you know, if you run it well. So that argument for opposing me never held water because I’ll just I’ll just run option. And, you know, maybe it’s easier. Maybe it’s not, but it wouldn’t. There wouldn’t be a good reason you spread the field more. Do you set up your matchups? I’m sure. But the idea that but that that to me, is a major difference in in a standard option offense, you know, your triple option offense. The linebacker still fills on the dive, right? That’s his job. It doesn’t matter. He doesn’t care if you can run these in such a way, and we’ll talk about that. If you can run these in such a way that you know you, you do put the inside linebacker especially would be the big one for me because because putting putting the overhang safety in conflict is, you know, the outside linebacker, whatever and conflict that’s as old as football we’ve run. Don’t go to RPO just to do that. There’s a million ways you can do that. But being able to put an inside linebacker conflict or safety, the idea that RPO at a small school, big school, great. You got offensive linemen. You can run the ball, you can throw the ball great, but an argument for running it at a small school that you are helping your offensive linemen and that because one of the things you know and you run zone, one of the hardest things to teach offensive linemen is the climb to second level or sure, when to come off that combo. I mean, that’s a huge part of learning. We can all get in to a two to a a double team, so I don’t even know these words anymore. I’ve been taught a double team in… We can all get into a double team and just push almost anybody back. But then a linebacker goes flying by us and hits the guy in the backfield. It’s like, Well, that was cool. Double teams don’t work, combos have to come off. So I really like the idea that we’re, you know, we’re taking out one of the hardest things for our offensive linemen. And then the end result is now that guy is just sitting there. And I mean, even if you do combo to him when he doesn’t step up, that combo is easy.

[00:26:05] Lynn Shackelford: Yes, for sure. Yeah, it’s it’s way easier. And so we have like we have tags when we when we run an RPO and we’ll pass protect the backside of it. So instead of like your backside tackle having to climb to the backside linebacker, he just sets and pass blocks the the end. So now your backside guard just working a double and you really get a huge push and the cutback is what know which everybody that runs zone, like where you will push hard front ways and then you’ll have to cut back right over the center or whatever. But you’ve got to be really good on that backside to be able to find the backside linebacker for that be there. So we’ve just kind of we just kind of eliminate that on a lot of our RPO stuff. And and what we tell our running backs is if you get it, you know, and you cut back on that linebacker sitting in the hole, then either making miss get three, you know, I mean, that’s kind of in its second and seven, which is way better than 2nd & 11 on a on a linebacker run through that, you know, hits you in the mouth and well, you know, well, we’ll have to figure it out and look for another day. But I I think it’s helped us offensively up front as much as it has just being able to push the ball down the field and score points. And because, you know, I think we can spend so much more time on frontside double team combo stuff. You know, we can work that so much more. I think it’s I think I think it’s been really good for us and then we’ll do some stuff also that we’ll do the same stuff off counters and yeah, you know, pin and pull and stuff like that. But that’s more that’s more like you said. I mean, we’ll run fronts pin and pull and then we’ll put the backside outside linebacker in conflict on some stuff. But you know, and to me, that’s the other thing where we like to do it with those outside guys. I mean, when we first went to 11 man, OCS was our district, which means nothing to you Joe, you know, but OCS is a private school here at Oklahoma, and all of their kids looked the same. All of their linebackers, safeties, corners, they were all 6’1″, 195 they could all run.

[00:28:12] Joe Daniel: So we have those teams, too.

[00:28:13] Lynn Shackelford: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they ran an odd stack and they have these two outside linebackers that would just we are we had no answer for. We had a five eight, our slot receivers, five nine hundred fifty five pounds. And every time we were trying to run the ball, the kids just throwing him down and want to make the tackle. I got tired of, you know, asking those guys to do that. So it’s kind of like the old. It’s kind of like the option guy, like run the veer. If you can’t block him read him. You know, don’t don’t try, try to put him in some conflict. I think especially in our level, I think when people play us, they’re they’re teaching their kids something different that week that they never had before. So now you’ve got the 16 year old with the 17 year old that’s going to question himself when the ball snap. And to me, that’s that’s a big advantage for us. Yeah. I mean, if you’re thinking you’re not playing as hard as if you’re just reacting. And I, you know, I really like I really like it when high school kids have to think whenever they play us. So that’s also kind of been kind of been part of it. Some of the reasons why we’ve done it.

[00:29:20] Daniel Chamberlain: So I know you’ve kind of gotten a little bit of your base offense already talking to some of the plays, but I’d like to talk about kind of the philosophy of what you’re doing. Like, you’ve hit on that a lot as well. But what are some of your base formations? The base plays you call and what do you start leaning towards? Is it changed week to week? How does your normal operations work on the offensive side of the ball?

[00:29:40] Lynn Shackelford: Well, so we it kind of depends on year to year who we have. I I really love, especially the last couple of years, if we can, if we can have a fullback or a tight end game, I think it helps us in run game quite a bit. So we’ll try to start. Or at least we did this year. A lot of times in twins open with the sniffer. If you watch OSU play like that. You know how Baylor used to play or not with the same kind of splits, but we kind of start there 2 by 2, trips open or trips with nub tight end. You know, just because I think you can tell a lot about how what people’s coverages are if you get in trips because especially in small school, they’ve got maybe one or two ways they play it. And then, you know, I love to getting empty, especially early and see what your empty check is because most People are like us, we have one. You know, here’s your empty check, so they check their empty check, here’s their coverage we can motion back in and kind of stuff like that. But you know, I’ll be honest with you where when I say we’re really multiple on offense, we really are, a lot of it depends on who we’re playing. You know, and I’m kind of one of these guys. I’m not a just pound my fist on, on the table and by God, we’re going to get in I. We’re going to run Power G. You know, I don’t care. I’m going to I’m going to see how you’re going to play certain stuff, certain formations. And if you don’t play them very well, in my opinion, then we’re going to get them. We’re going to get in them a lot. Or if you give the same look, every time somebody gets in twins or every time somebody gets in 2 by 2, then we’ll try to get in. And a lot because I think for us, I can coach our kids, especially my quarterback, that week on. OK, here’s the film against Windot? All right. There’s Wahuska playing Winedot every time wind got tight end wing, twins away. This is what Wahhuska look like every single time. And the next week against Aften they did the same thing. So we can get in there. So we’re going to get the same look. And this is what we can do well. And I know that might sound like I’m avoiding the answer of what we do, but that’s really that’s really what we do. I mean, we got in a bunch set in the finals this year against Reeling for the first time all year just because Morrison did it the week before in the semifinals. I didn’t think Reeling lined up to it very well didn’t really have an answer for the flat guy number three into the flat, so we ran 1st play of the game for like forty five yards. That’s kind of how I go into it every week is I don’t know if you’re really good against 2 by 2. You’ve got a really good scheme and you can disguise coverage really well. I probably won’t get in it very much if you don’t line up the Trips very well, especially to stop the bubble and we’re going to get it a lot. We’re going to throw the bubble. Until you do something different in order to take that away? And then we can do some stuff off of that. So that’s kind of been my philosophy offensively is I’m going to see what you don’t do very well and we’re going to we’re going to try to we’re going to try to attack that. We’re primarily a zone run team. When we’re athletic up front, we’ll do we’ll lose some counter stuff and pin and pull, buck sweep or whatever you call it. But but, you know, if it’s fourth and one and we’ve got to get a yard probably going to run inside zone, that’s it.

[00:33:09] Joe Daniel: Yeah. When you are with one of the things that I like and our offensive system is very much built on the idea that formations are cheap. And so it sounds like it’s a little bit of that. You’re just I always look when I when I’m looking offensive play calling, putting together an offensive game plan, whatever you want to call it, how can I break this defense? Where is it that somehow they create or this formation creates too much space for them to defend? Or it gets me a look, it gets me a box that I like. It gets me, you know, a numbers advantage, something we talk about it. We have offensive play caller system that we have that really. That’s a big part of it is you can run as many formations. And this year we ran too many, but we did a bunch of crap. But is that kind of the philosophy because you don’t have a lot of running plays and you can you can do so many RPOs, which I want to get into in a minute. But is that kind of the philosophy of like formations not plays

[00:34:06] Lynn Shackelford: a hundred percent? Yeah. I mean, how many how many different ways to do the same thing? And we’ll try to play with some tempo. A lot of times, I mean, I’ll give you a good. I’ll give you a good idea of how simple we are in the run game. So we’ve got, for inside zone we’ve got two words that we use and and for counter, we’ve got two different words that we use. And there’s been games where I never like called a running play off a wrist coach. I just yelled out the code words. And I mean, that was that was our run game that we that we that we went into it with, you know, 25 different run plays on a wristband. But it’s just, I mean, like I said, if if we’re good at running inside zone, we’re just going to run inside. And like you said, formations are cheap. I don’t have to teach the offensive linemen anything new. I just have to teach our skill kids, OK, this is where you’re lining up this week, and this is what you’re going to do. My offensive line Coach doesn’t care. He doesn’t have any idea what our formations are. He just knows, OK, we’re going to run. We’re going to run inside zone this week, or we’re going to pin and pull or we’re going to run counter. That’s all I’m going to coach. And that’s all my offensive linemen care about is what’s the call? What’s the run scheme? I don’t care. There might be a motion that we might be read 4 different things and the ball might be getting thrown and they’re blocking their ass off on inside zone. So that’s kind of that’s kind of my thing is, you know, those are the those are the guys. Does it have to be really, really good. Your offensive lineman have to be really, really good if you’re going to be good. So let’s make it as easy as that for them as possible, and they can just do the same thing every day. Try to get as good as they can at it. We can take our skill kids, OK? This week, these are the formations that we’re going to get in. Our pass concepts are all pretty much the same regardless of formation. You know, they have rules depending on where you are. So that’s not that’s not hard for them to do. And then, like I said, our RPO stuff’s pretty simple for those guys to learn. So yeah, I mean, that’s you know, we’ve gotten to the point like you said you you run too much stuff where you know, when you when you go on Hudl, you type in the, you know, you’re trying to tag information, you know, you hit R you know, or whatever, and it guesses like that. But they’ll pull that. Yeah, I mean, I told my assistants,

[00:36:33] Joe Daniel: I just want to turn that off so bad

[00:36:34] Lynn Shackelford: I told my assistants after the year, I’m like, We’ve got to purge our our Hudl breakdowns stuff because you type in three letters and we’ve got like 97 different things. And I’m like, Have we really done all that? And they’re like, Yeah, but then of course, I’m getting old. So I forget last year, double tight, double tight twins might have been called something else, and I forgot. So I said this week, here’s what we’re going to call it system look it up like. That’s not what it was last year. I don’t care what this is, what we’re doing, just go with it. So then he’s typing it in for that week. And now we’ve got 2 by 2 has been nine different things over the last five.

[00:37:14] Joe Daniel: That’s our bunch [00:37:14][0.3]

[00:37:14] Daniel Chamberlain: bowl. Try to decipher on huddle. But it’s naming something different

[00:37:19] Lynn Shackelford: every time we’ve got it. We’ve got to do something different because I started. I started some secondary stuff this year, so I’m tagging other teams formations and I’m like, Well, what are we doing? Why do we have so much information on Hudl that shouldn’t be

[00:37:34] Joe Daniel: one of the I like the you mentioned inside zone. You mentioned the bubble. If you get into three by one in the bubbles there, I think it’s funny. You know, you said you might have twenty five calls. I think it’s funny that guys and I know it came from Bill Walsh, but the idea of the script and I don’t know if it originally came from Bill Walsh, but it was in that book, and a lot of guys got on to the idea that we’re going to have this 20 play script. And it’s obviously high school is different than the NFL. It’s a much shorter game, but the idea that we’re going to have this twenty five play script and you must run or 10 plays and you must run all 10 of them to gather all this information. It’s like, no, if the first play that I run I lineup in that formation and they’re broken and they can’t stop that play, or they can’t stop another play that I have out of that formation, I may never get to the second call on the script. There’s no reason.

[00:38:20] Lynn Shackelford: Yeah, that’s you know, people have asked me all the time, like, you script stuff like, No, I mean, our script is, you know, during the week, this is what we’re going to attack them with, you know, and like you said, I mean, if if they can’t line up to trips open, why do you want to see how they can line up to tight end – wing? Just stay in it until they do something different, then you can move to something else and kind of go from there. But yeah, and I get it. College is different and NFL’s different. You know, I’m sure large school, you know, 5A,6A,7A football, where we are, I’m sure is different just because you have so much more time defensively. But that’s that’s my thing. I know how teams in my class practice because they have to practice like we do and I know how hard it is for us to just install base defensive concepts. And it’s really, really hard on that side of the ball, in my opinion, at our level to be really multiple. So it’s kind of a what you see is what you get kind of a thing. And if they’re doing something different, then chances are it’s just for you. And, they’re probably not going to be very good at it.

[00:39:27] Joe Daniel: And the other thing with the small schools is, is if they’re if they’re lined up wrong, when are they going to fix it, right? Because those guys aren’t coming off the field. You know, there’s there’s five guys that never come off the field or six or eight or whatever, so they don’t get a chance to fix it until halftime. Don’t, you know, don’t jump out of something that’s there, right?

[00:39:46] Daniel Chamberlain: It’s hard enough to tell a sophomore linebacker Here are the rules of how you play linebacker and then someone comes in and tries to make him wrong. Like I can’t. I don’t like. I mean, you don’t have enough time to say, Hey, here’s your rules unless and then here’s your other set of rules that you’re going to follow because they broke our rules like, no, you teach one thing and and you you live and die by that sword.

[00:40:06] Lynn Shackelford: Yeah, you know, we did it in 2012. We went 6-6 got beat in the second round, I think. And I went back at the end of the year and I charted every scoring play against us. And I think it was something like seventy nine percent of the time we weren’t lined up, right? So I told I told our defensive coordinator, I’m like, I don’t I don’t care what we do defensively. I mean, we can be odd stacked. We can be a 3-4. We could be a 4-2-5. I don’t care whatever you think fits our kids the best. I don’t care, but we’re going to be able to line up. That’s the only thing I care about. And if we can’t line up in that defense, then we’re not ready. We’re figuring out something else to do because it doesn’t matter what bliitz we have called or what coverage we have called or whatever. If you know, if there’s two gaps unaccounted for, they hit it, it’s going to be a touchdown. So yeah, that’s that’s been a huge thing for us and our defense coordinators have been really good at it. We spent a tremendous amount of time on just set rec. And how do you line up how we learned up to this formation? And we just kind of go from there. Yeah.

[00:41:10] Daniel Chamberlain: So I will move on with RPOs a little bit. We could get defensive so quick here because it’s fun to talk for me. But so how do you decide who you’re going to read the RPO? Is it so kind of walk us through how you’re teaching kids that and who’s doing all the reading?

[00:41:22] Lynn Shackelford: So like a lot of it, depends on who you play. So let’s say you get like a 4-2-5. I don’t know how much 4-2-5 you guys see. So you got an overhang, probably on one side and you’re going to have an inside linebacker on the other side with a corner and a safety over the top. So if we get that, that’s where we’ll start. So it’s we’re going to read that backside inside linebacker. So depending on what kind of coverage we get, so it’s like we get too high. So we got a corner down safety back and we’ll run it with the inside receiver and we basically just teach him to replace the inside linebacker. So we’re run in zone, zone right towards the overhang where quarterback’s eyes are on the inside linebacker. If he and what I tell him is if he like, we’ve got different RPO, some RPO doesn’t want to throw it and some RPO, we want to run it, and he’s got to know the difference between the two. So let’s say we’ve got the RPO tag where he knows that I want him to throw the football. Then his read is at the snap as at linebacker take it the slant away, and the only way he’s taking the slant away is if he’s not run fitting. So if he’s bailing out under the slant then we hand it off and we feel like we’re plus one in the run game, if he’s run fitting, then we’re ripping the slant. And so then if people walk their safety down and try to play man or just try to get there faster, then we’ll throw it to number one. We’ll take two vertical and bring number one underneath same, and it’s the same read for us. If you play two overhangs, like if you’re on stack or you’re a 3-4, then we kind of start with, alright, so are you too high, shell is if you’re a too high shell and you want to play some cover 4 because we can throw four verticals that we like to throw the football, then that means your overhead is probably going to be your flat player. So we’ll do the same thing. So I’ll tell my quarterback alright, so pre-snap, who can wreck your train on the slant? So we’ll bubble number two, throw the slant with no one. Read the stat tracker. If it’s, you know, if it’s odd stack and they want to play one high put them both down. If they want to play at 3-4, then we’ll read the inside linebacker the same way. And all he’s got to know is who can record your train at the snap on the slant, which is the outside linebacker? We’re going to assume he’s going to chase, but you need to know before you throw it that he’s not standing in your way. So there’s been some times where that guy kind of screw with this and he’ll fall back in. We’ll read the inside linebacker and quarterback will pull it and get ready to throw it. That guy standing out there, I just tell him, then just just chase the zone. And if it’s third and 10, that’s better than you throwing it to the outside linebacker touchdown.

[00:44:13] Joe Daniel: It sounds a lot like, I mean, it sounds, a little short on time so I want to get a couple more things in. A lot of the way that we teach our quarterback just in general pass game is look at the picture. Yes, you need to understand, OK, this is a cover 3 or this is a quarters or this is a cover 2. This is where these guys are responsible for and this is where the space is going to open up. And so a lot of this is kind of a pre-snap like I know that this is the guy who can defend this. And if he goes here, then he’s defending this. I go here and if he goes here, he’s defending this. So a lot of it, your quarterback has to be able to look out there and understand what how this defense works, essentially.

[00:44:51] Lynn Shackelford: Oh, for sure. And then a lot of us based on like formations. So like I said earlier, like one of the formations I really love is twins open, and I really love to run a split zone out of it. So what we did this year with that was we like we just basically had a whole run pass concept just out of that formation and we called it pioneer. So we’re running 14 zone pioneer. And so my quarterback knows if I get a pioneer call, Coach Shackleford wants to throw the football. So now pre-snap, he’s got rules. So if we have one on one with the single, then that’s where I’m throwing the football and the wideouts going to give the quarterback a hand signal. He’s got three route options. He can run a fade, he can run a slant, he can run a hitch. So if it’s one on one, he knows the ball’s going out there right now and nobody else knows besides him and the white out, the quarterback can tell at running back, Hey, I’m throwing it out there so he won’t get in the way, but we’re blocking split zone up front. And if he got one on one, he’s going to throw it. If he looks out there and it’s not one on one. Maybe there’s an outside linebacker that’s outside of the box to try to help with the one on one. Now he looks at the two receiver side and we’ve got a tunnel screen called with on the two receiver side. So he’s got it. He doesn’t like the one on one. Does he like the two that the two receiver side, does he like the tunnel screen based on? Is there a corner within seven yards and an outside linebacker within seven yards of the box? If there’s not, then he’s going to throw the tunnel screen. We’re blocking split zone. Nobody else knows. If he hates all of it, we’re handballs. Yeah. You know, and and I asked him every time in practice, every time we watched film, why did you throw it? Why’d you run it? And if he says, I don’t know, then we’ve got a problem. If he says, well, the safety was going to roll over the top of it one on one, or I thought he was going to or I didn’t like the outside linebackers leverage, then we’re teaching him the right things.

[00:46:59] Daniel Chamberlain:That’s also RPOs of. I’m so new to this that that’s a concept that I haven’t even tried to tackle yet. So I think all that’s mind blowing to me, actually, that you’re taking these kids and just teach them this very it seems like a pretty simple concept.

[00:47:13] Daniel Chamberlain: Well, to me, it’s a lot like when I was in high school, we ran some option stuff. You know, we ran the veer and read the end, pulled it. Read the corner, you know, I mean, split back veer. Same thing. I mean, to me, you’re putting a lot less on the quarterback in this kind of stuff than you are that kind of stuff because to me, you can always hand it off, right? You make the wrong read and split back veer and you got to you got a big problem on your hands. Yeah, we make the wrong read here. We always throw it away. You can always chase the zone. You hate it all pre-snap. Just hand it off and we’re still blocking run game. You know, we still might get three yards or somehow get 30 yards. We still might get no yards. But to me, it’s a it’s a safe call that could potentially hit some really big plays. You just got it. But the biggest thing, the biggest adjustment I’ve had to make over the years in doing this is teaching my quarterback what RPOs are run first and which ones are pass first. That’s been that’s been the biggest thing for me, and we had a three year starter this year. You know, he was like, I said he threw for 10000 yards and a hundred and forty five touchdowns or something like that in three years. So he got to figure it out. And and I’ll be honest, guys, I had two wideouts that freaks this year, and one of them had 29 touchdowns and sixteen hundred yards, and the other one had nineteen hundred yards and one hundred and five catches. I mean, it was dumb, but I mean, we had we had two guys that call it one of them caught hundred four balls, one of them caught eighty nine, I think our next guy had like 18 catches. So I mean, we had two guys that were a problem. So if you try to take them away, we could run it. And if you just we’re like a lot of people “by God, we’re going to stop the run,” Then we normally have some pretty good nights throwing the ball.

[00:49:06] Daniel Chamberlain: Coach we’re running kind of short on time here. I got one more question for you and then we’ll we’ll get out of here. But so if you’re starting off first year trying to install this. How many RPOs did you really would you recommend carrying? How many did you carry? You feel like it was too many or not enough.

[00:49:20] Lynn Shackelford: First time we did it, we did one. I mean, it was just one. And it was it was that it was the, you know, how can we read the backside inside linebacker or the backside run fit guy who are depending on what defense you run if you’re 4-3 or you’re, you know, how can we put that guy in the conflict because to me, that’s the hardest guy to block in zone. So I would just I would start there. I would just I would find one that you really liked based on what you see the most defensively, you know, I mean, if you’re in a conference or district or whatever and you see a whole bunch of 3-4, then you got to figure out a way to put that guy in conflict based on formation or whatever. You see a lot of 4-3, then you know, you’ve got that option. You get a lot of safeties that come down and fit in the box that, you know, try to read them and throw over the top. But I would just I would start with one and then I would drill it. But what we do, which I think is really good practice wise, is when you do your inside run portion, we have like an RPO inside run and like, we’ve even done this. We’ve gone like half line because the back side just pass block in any way so we’ve gone half line, good on good, so we could really work. You know, the front side zone part of it and then the backside of it will have a coach stand there with the linebacker that we’re trying to read. And we got a whole line of white out. So we’ve got running backs ready to go and it’s just as fast as we can go. We’ll run it, that linebacker will fire or kick or he’ll stand. And then as soon as that plays over with, we’re lining right back up running it again with a new set of guys, just so we can get as many reps as possible from our quarterback and see it over and over again. And then we’ll try to find the same thing on film. You know where somebody is not running an RPO, but maybe they’re a 2×2 and they’re running inside zone, my quarterback can look at that guy that he’s going to read and see what he looks like when he runs fits. You know, this is what he looks like. This is the steps that he takes. This is where he fits so that he can just see that as many times as possible so that when he gets up there on Friday night, you know, the first time we run it, it’s like he’s hopefully it feels like he’s seen it 200 times. All right. Hope that helps.

[00:51:43] Daniel Chamberlain: It does. Definitely, yeah. I know coach and now they said it earlier, just trying to put that their rules in the chaos. And I can’t I can’t imagine trying to defend the RPO somebody who could actually run it real well.

[00:51:57] Joe Daniel: You don’t see that many as popular as it is at the high end, probably outside it. Maybe, maybe you’re maybe you’re real big schools, but I mean, we play it. We’re we’re 3A in Virginia, and I coach the 2A for three years and I was a 5A before that. So we go up to 6A, but we’re at 3A, but we’re in a district well used to be a district. The districts are all gone, but we still play the same schedule. That’s a lot of 4As and 5As. And so, you know, we see them and we see their exchange film. So we see a number of the bigger schools in Richmond, which aren’t huge and all, you know, Richmond’s not, you know, Texas, but I mean, you don’t see a lot of schools that are really good at the RPO. And I think that’s one of the huge advantages of it if you get really good at it.

[00:52:43] Daniel Chamberlain: Yeah, no. I think I think people are a little bit apprehensive to do it. One thing I don’t know that they feel real comfortable coaching. I mean, it’s kind of like triple option. I mean, it works. And if you’re really good at it, I mean, nobody wants to play it. When you play a team that runs a triple option and you’re worried sick all week that we’ve got to be really sound that we all got to do the right thing. But yet you might play one one team a year that runs it. But it’s really great if you’re really good at it, right? So to me, it’s kind of the same thing. We can do something that a lot of people don’t see. And if we can get really good at it, then you know, I feel like it gives us an advantage. And and here’s the other thing I think this is important, especially our kids like kids, you know, I mean, it’s a way that we can get. We can get the ball to a whole bunch of different people’s hands. And you know, that’s not flexible or not triple option. We can play fast and we can do all you know, it’s cool for high school kids, as sad as that is, but I think that’s important in 2021.

[00:53:48] Daniel Chamberlain: We’ve I think we’ve made the case on the show before that there seems to be a tendency that when coaches think they don’t have the personnel, they need to do whatever they’re used to that they go back to Wing-T or Flex Bone want to get into something where they can just run the crap out of the ball. And we’ve sort of made the case on here over the last few weeks that maybe the spread might be where you could lean because it gives you that extra like you talked about. You can always just throw the ball away, right? You’re not so worried about it. And so I think having an RPO one or two that you could add into this again, I don’t have the guys this year I’m used to. We can always just stay spread and added RPO component. And now, like what you said you’ve been doing, I mean, you’ve got to what you said, the final game, you didn’t even belong, but you did it with, yeah, with this very simple concept.

[00:54:33] Lynn Shackelford: Im telling you in 2015 I don’t, I mean, I think we want eight regular season games being a team of quarterfinals that we probably have no business beating, but I don’t know that we would five if if we didn’t start doing some of the stuff just because we weren’t going to be able to run the football and if our only options were, we’re going to conventional run zone and then we’re just going to throw past concepts. I don’t I don’t know that we woud’ve won five football games. So yeah, I mean, it’s kind of born out of necessity, a little bit more for us just to try something that might help us. And we saw the fruits of our labor, so to speak. And we’ve just kind of built more stuff in over the years that, you know, we’re kind of to the point now where, you know, our kids are really comfortable with it. We can we can call the RPO tags all the time, our offensive line to what to do and our wideouts know what to do, our quarterbacks know how to read. You know, I think that hopefully we can just kind of keep building off of it and get to a point where it would be awesome to get to the point where every play you call, you can do one or the other. You know, that’s probably, you know, pie in the sky thinking but it’d be nice.

[00:55:47] Daniel Chamberlain: Well, it’s awesome. Well, coach, I do appreciate you coming on with us tonight. I know Joe’s going to want to pay the bills here, so I will definitely, yeah.

[00:55:54] Joe Daniel: Yeah. I mean, I think one of the things I mentioned are some of the systems that we have, and I’ll talk about them in just a second. But the number, one of the emails that one of the stats that I always send out is the number of coaches that have won state championships and who have been in state championship. You know, five out of eight years is incredible. So I mean, congratulations because most of us will never even get the chance to coach in you know that that long of a season to coach 31 games in two years is incredible. So congratulations on your success there. I think it’s it’s impressive. And at a small school where you don’t have you don’t know who you’re going to have. Like you said, you go from 50 to 25 because it’s just, the people who, people who don’t coach at a small area don’t understand like some people just didn’t have kids.

[00:56:42] Lynn Shackelford: Where they had all girls.

[00:56:44] Joe Daniel: Yeah, like it just happens like you got 25 kids in a senior class. Then you got, you know, five, you’re like, Well, I don’t know what happened. So congratulations on that. And I do want to mention, I want to talk about where coaches can, can maybe find you and learn more. I love what you said. About 70 percent of the scores were lined up wrong. And so that’s where I’m going to go with JDFB Coaching Systems because we used the coach simple, play fast, win philosophy. So coaches, we do a little bit of RPO in the Pistol Power Offense, but I’m just like more of the guys who want to stop it. JDFB Coaching Systems has five complete coaching systems, including the 4-2-5, 33 Stack, 3-4 and the 4-3 Defense Systems. There’s one that’s just going to fit you and all we’ll talk about ways to defend RPOs and ways to defend all these different looks, but it comes down to the base and the basics and and understanding certain principles. We build around a core of principles, the umbrella principle being the big one with run fits where you don’t change from week to week, you are who you are. We adjust. We try to make sure that the defense or the offense can’t put us into, can’t put your team into those situations where you’re just broken and busted. There’s always the numbers game with the athletes, and we got to adjust to that. We talked about that as well. But you can get in the JDFB Coaching Systems right now, check those out and see what’s right for your football team by going to join.joedanielfootball.com you can access all of them right now for $1. So if you haven’t, there’s no reason not to. It’s a buck. Go and check it out at join.joedanielfootball.com. What day is this? This would come out on the 23rd. You’re almost at the point where you could sign up and not pay until the new year. I don’t know what that means, but a dollar. Check it out. Dollar will get you most of the rest of 2021. So check it out at join.joedanielfootball.com. If this is your first time listening to Football Coaching Podcast, make sure you subscribe so you won’t miss any future episodes. We’re everywhere the podcasts are, including at JoeDanielFootball.com but also Stitcher, SoundCloud, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music. Wherever you find podcasts, you should find us. If you have a place that you find podcast and you don’t find the Football Coaching Podcast please tell us we’ll get it fixed and also if you’ve been listening for a while please go and leave a review, especially in Apple Podcasts. It is a huge, huge help to get the word out. Coach Shackelford we really appreciate you being on here. Where can coaches maybe find you or find more information about what you’re doing?

[00:59:09] Lynn Shackelford: You can find me on Twitter anytime you want to @LynnShackelford would be a good place to start. You can also email me at CoachShackelford@gmail.com. There’s no secrets to anything that we do. I’ll tell anybody anything they want to know. I’ll send whatever film I got. I don’t care everything that I, everything that I have. I’ve stolen from somebody else. So I don’t have any problem sharing, sharing any information. But we have been like I said, I mean, we’ve been really fortunate the last eight years. We’ve figured out a way to kind of compete at the highest level of our class and hopefully, we can keep we can keep doing it. But I do think that our offensive system has been one of the reasons why we’ve been able to do that.

[00:59:58] Joe Daniel: All right, and I’m Joe Daniel. You can find me @footballinfo on Twitter and at JoeDanielFootball.com.

[01:00:07] Daniel Chamberlain: I’m Daniel Chamberlain at @CoachChamboOK on Twitter, and of course, the podcast finally got up and going on our Twitter page @theFBCP, The Football Coaching Podcast. I have to think about it every time I say, Reach out, find us. Episode should be posted there as they come out, so it’s going to be a great resource.

[01:00:25] Joe Daniel: All right, coach, thank you for your time and you’re setting it all up with this and it’s good to talk some RPOs. And maybe, maybe I’ll run more than one. I’ve run to 2 RPOs in my career. I’ve run the Bubble and I’ve run the run in behind the linebacker, yeah, with varying degrees of success, but it does make me want to do some more of them. I’ll probably just keep running all kinds of wacky shifts and stuff, though, so appreciate everybody’s time on the podcast. Thanks for listening! Remember coach simple, play fast, win.