Build Your Offensive Scheme Around Your Quarterback | FBCP S11E10

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[00:00:39] Daniel Chamberlain welcome back, coaches, this is the football coaching podcast. I am co-host Daniel Chamberlain here with Joe Daniel, as always.

[00:00:45] Joe Daniel What…the big kid for North Carolina? You played at Oklahoma last year. Brady Manek OK. How you feel about that?

[00:00:53] Daniel Chamberlain It made one of those things right. Like, I wanted him to win it all because but also he left us so many when he lost, I wasn’t disheartened.

[00:01:00] Joe Daniel Was he a graduate transfer or something like,

[00:01:02] Daniel Chamberlain I don’t know if he was a grad transfer or if he just got to go because they get a transfer? I don’t really remember. We changed coaches.

[00:01:08] Joe Daniel Yeah, OK. We don’t follow college basketball until like March. So right?

[00:01:13] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah, we had a new c oach this year, and so it was a huge turnover on the roster

[00:01:17] Joe Daniel The sausage is made. We’re recording this the day after the national championship game. So I had I had to open with a question about that because I thought about last night watching the game.

[00:01:26] Daniel Chamberlain Now it’s all week. We’ve been cheering him on the whole tournament as a as a fan base. And then when it came down to it, I was like, I kind of hope he wins, but you know, we yeah, you like to see Kansas keep put it up because we’re still in the Big 12, even though we’re leaving. Who knows, it’s it’s one of those things.

[00:01:41] Joe Daniel So I was in a unfortunate position, and I know that this is like two weeks old news now, but when this episode comes out, but I was in an unfortunate position in that we have a version of Calcutta auction and we talked about this before. Maybe not Calcutta auction as you basically auction off all the teams. So we were in a, you know, and it’s an auction. So and the prices can get pricey and then it goes into a pool and you win. Like if they win a first or second round game, you get one percent of the total pool. If the team wins, so the better the team, the more you pay. Well, we had Duke, mainly because Duke was a two seed that went for a low dollar value, right? I’m not a Duke fan. I’m actually a USC fan. I mean, as far as college basketball goes, I am a USC fan. I’m not like some passionate USC fan. When I was growing up, I was and then I was like 12 or 13. I found out or figured out that like, you lied to me, I just kind of didn’t know the difference. I figured out that my mom went to UNC, USC, Charlotte, not USC, Chapel Hill. And so then I was like, Well, I don’t. And then I was like, Well, no wonder she was never that excited about the game itself. So I was like, I yeah, I was like, Well, you know, I was a pretty, you know, as a USC, as a kid, I was. And that was when you as you was really good. But I would have been really, really excited about you and see, this year. So VCU got knocked out early, and Georgia’s just never even a factor in college basketball. So I would have been really excited this year, and I was in the unfortunate position that I had a lot of money with Duke. And so then it was just like, kind of anticlimactic afterwards. So anyway, that’s my that’s my story.

[00:03:14] Daniel Chamberlain So were you excited that they put it to Duke on Coach K’s last game? How was that? Did they bring up old memories or old feelings?

[00:03:20] Joe Daniel No, no, no, no. I, you know, I feel like Coach K had a you got to be happy with that run to the Final Four. I mean, and it’s almost like if anybody had to end it, you’d much rather be, I guess, maybe not. If you’re maybe if you’re not a Duke fan. But I guess the story of like, if anybody has to end it, it has to be the team that, you know, the reality you’re tied to that team more than probably more than to college basketball teams in the country are tied to each other. If that’s the team, that’s going to end it like in that situation, it’s like, that’s that’s the that’s the 3-4 throw kind of ending, I guess, and

[00:04:00] Daniel Chamberlain it made him fifty and fifty against North Carolina in his career,

[00:04:03] Joe Daniel really. I couldn’t believe they’d never played in the tournament.

[00:04:06] Daniel Chamberlain Those incredible pressures, 50 50, I think he was 50 and 49. He might have been 51 49.

[00:04:11] Joe Daniel OK. I was watching, you know, Kansas Villanova, and I knew that USC Duke had never played against Villanova, played like three times in the tournament in the past. And I’m like, How North Carolina and Duke? Never, ever. I guess they always put them on opposite sides as they should have done, but you know, whatever anyway.

[00:04:28] Daniel Chamberlain Football, yeah, we did get to talk football, didn’t we?

[00:04:31] Joe Daniel We did. Yeah, that’s the idea.

[00:04:33] Daniel Chamberlain So tonight’s tonight’s episode or this episode, I always say tonight it’s just used and get used to it. I mean, it’s my whatever this episode, we want to talk about changing and offense and basically moving that around one player. And we chose quarterback for this episode because if you try to talk about all the positions, you will have a four hour episode. So we want to talk about what changes you may or may not make, what you can foresee, what the future might bring to you because you have a stud quarterback.

[00:05:01] Joe Daniel Yeah. And it’s, you know, we’ve talked about we talked about Tight end. We talked about H-back. I talk about offensive line all the time, but quarterback is I mean, if you’re going to build around somebody, it’s not going to be your left tackle, you know? I mean, to an extent you will. But you know, it might be a tailback. It might be a quarterback, but it’s usually a quarterback. If you’re talking about really building things around. So I only get to talk about quarterbacks, and I know that we have a guest coming to talk about quarterbacks, right?

[00:05:30] Daniel Chamberlain Correct. Yeah. Coach Patrick Taylor, he’ll be on just shortly. He’s he’s logging into the. Now, so he’ll be able to introduce himself in just a moment. I think when you’re looking at the quarterback, you have to look at, is it why did you put him there? Is he there because he’s the best athlete on your team? Or is it because he’s the guy that? Is he an actual quarterback that can throw? And maybe you have the best of both worlds. Maybe you’ve got the next Kyler Murray back there that can just absolutely scream around the edge or hit the, you know, the deep ball and he’s going to play in the league someday. So we got definitely drives this conversation in two ways, but we know we’re doing the same thing no matter which way you look at it.

[00:06:04] Joe Daniel I think that there was a shift, and I do think that the spread and I’ll say the Urban Meyer variation of the spread, so not air raid. Obviously, as I go to talk about it, the thing that changed, that shifted the way that I think people looked at the quarterback position happened early in my coaching career, and that was when the spread option became a big deal. You I think that going into the going into the through the 90s, at least in in the early 2000s when I was first coaching, you always looked for the kid that could be a leader and then you looked at what his qualities were, OK? He can, you know, he can run. Maybe you’re an option to him. He can run the option. Maybe he can throw, maybe can do this. Maybe we can do that. But you first you found the kid who could be the leader. And I think that somewhere in that spread option time period, there was a shift to where we looked for the some teams at least looked for who’s the best athlete if he’s a leader? Great. If he’s not. I played teams that put, you know, not not. I’m not talking about a coach with me team where every kid on the team had a wristband. I’m talking about one kid on the team. Usually your quarterback has a wristband, and I started playing teams in the mid late 2000s where the left guard had the wristband on right because you went, well, there’s the quarterback ain’t the guy to run the thing, but he’s the guy who needs to have the ball in his hand. So we’ll wristband the left guard and he’ll tell everybody what to do in the huddle and then we’ll go to the line. So there was a big shift somewhere along the way, and I think it’s that Coach Taylor is here with us. We’re going to get him in just a second. But I think that somewhere along the way, with the spread option and the advent of the running quarterbacks, but more than like Steve Young or Fran talking or something, where was a guy who just dropped back and took off where we got or even a triple option quarterback where we said we can just snap into a get back there and he’s the most dangerous dude in the state. He can sprint right, sprint left and he can roll out and he can run option and all this sort of stuff and he can run, you know, all these things. And it stopped being about who’s the best leader, right? And a lot of coaches shifted it to who’s the best athlete. And if he happens to be a leader, great.

[00:08:24] Daniel Chamberlain So coach will let you go and introduce yourself here. I know you’ve been on that podcast before. We’ve probably gained some new listeners, so just a quick rundown. Don’t have anything too lengthy if you introduce yourself, sir.

[00:08:34] Patrick Taylor Coach Patrick Taylor. I’ve been linked to the area for quite a long time now and we’ve had some quarterbacks is said all kinds of records and broke a few big records here in North Carolina. We brought Chris saying We’re Game Pass and record and five hundred ninety one yards and we’ve had both a run style and a proper pro passer style in our offense. And being able to do that, it kind of helps us look for certain things we’re looking for in a quarterback. We can’t some things we can’t live without.

[00:09:06] Daniel Chamberlain Yeah. So that’s what we’re kind of going to start on here in just a moment after Joe pitches us on his stuff. And that is just, is it a passing quarterback? Is it a running quarterback? Why is he the guy you picked and then how are you going to build around it? So, Joe, I’m sure pistol power offense can probably handle a quarterback, whether he could run or pass. So I’m sure you’ve got some stuff to spiel there.

[00:09:26] Joe Daniel We have. We have we had a kid who was a great athlete. We’ve usually had passing quarterbacks. Traditionally, we’ve had a couple of athletic kids who ran. We ran some options spread option stuff. But the best times that we’ve had have been with traditional, more traditional passing quarterbacks. I don’t think we’ve ever had a kid who wasn’t an athlete get back there, but we had a kid who was a really good athlete who transferred after his freshman year, but he was a starter as a freshman. Of course, this is the Fort Lee world where the freshman, who’s a great athlete of Sutton, gets sent to Georgia or something like that. You know, they don’t need him. Georgia has plenty of him. So anyway, we ran we exclusively at that time, we didn’t have any reed ops or anything. We ran Power Pass and counterpart’s just so he could boot out and maybe find somebody. And if not, just take off. Pistol power offense system is included as part of JDFB Coaching Systems. You get access to all five coaching systems 3-4, 33 stack, 4-3, 4-2-5 Defense System and the Pistol power offense system. 3-4 completely updated for 2021 2022. What year is 2022? Completely updated as well. We’ve got or we get, yeah, lots of stuff going on that chalked out. We’ve got chalk talks, we’ve got chalk board for and we can ask questions. All of its included you get access for. $1 go to join.JoeDanielFootball.com to get access to all of it joined Dot JoeDanielFootball.com.

[00:10:41] Daniel Chamberlain Excellent. So with that out of the way, we were talking about putting the most are your best athlete back there, right? You went from who cares who the leader is? Let the left tackle be the leader of the team. He can be awesome and be the leadership. But the guy who’s going to touch the ball the most times probably needs to be the guy who can do the most with it, right? And that’s I think that’s where it really. I’ve not been watching football as long as you guys, but that has been the the motto as long as I’ve been in football, right? As a player, it was always our best guy. It doesn’t even always have an arm. For some people, he may not have an arm, but along with that, I feel like the kids are just more athletic nowadays. I mean, it seems even at your smallest school, you have two or three kids who are naturally gifted athletes. They may not be able to spiral nor get it more than 20 yards down the field, but you can do something with it at quarterback, at least.

[00:11:31] Joe Daniel Coach, what are you looking for? I guess I talked about my thoughts on who the, you know, that kind of shift in the quarterback. What are you looking at for your quarterback if you’re going to end as an air raid team? I guess my question is, are you always built around the quarterback as an area team and how does that influence like who you put in there?

[00:11:51] Patrick Taylor I think I think that’s a twofold question. I think

[00:11:55] Joe Daniel so. I thought I had at least three or four fold.

[00:11:58] Patrick Taylor It’s the crazy thing about the air raid offense is is really built around the receivers and it’s really built around the quarterback, too, because it goes back to if he has no to throw the ball to the quarterback’s useless. And if if the end, if the receivers, you know, if there is just it’s kind of a it’s kind of a ping pong situation. So when we start out looking for the quarterback, a lot of people say, Well, he’s going to have a cannon of an arm. You know, our best quarterback, Mike could have thrown a ball 40 yards. Statistically, our best quarterback, I’m throwing the football. And basically what I look for, that’s probably, you know, you could say, well, I’m necessarily looking for a guy to distribute the ball like a point guard. But I think the one characteristic that kind of, I think, could probably bridge all gaps, whether you’re a triple option team, whether you’re a whether you’re an air raid or power run or, you know, spread run type guy or power spread wings or whatever. I want a guy that has a really short memory. I want a guy. I don’t care if he’s a rah rah guy. I don’t care if he’s the guy that everybody follows. Sometimes we’ve had younger quarterbacks and like you said, a center was basically the keystone of the offense because he was the older guy. We were starting to sophomore quarterback. He led in some ways, maybe in his plays in the conduct, but that kind of fell off the senior that was in front of him snapping the ball. And with that being the case, you know, I think that at the end of the day, the biggest, the biggest block I have to get over coaching someone and deciding on a quarterback is I really want to see how he reacts after he’s thrown an interception. Is he going to lose his mind? Is he going to get gun-shy? And I think you could say that if you run the triple under center, if he makes the wrong Reid, does the world come to an end or does he say, I messed up? I got it. You know, I got it. Or can you coach him on the sideline? Because if you can’t coach the kid on the sideline and he shuts down on you, your whole offense shuts down because he does have to touch the ball every play. So no matter if he’s his own RIG-I or whatever. If he’s not coachable on the sideline or make adjustments, then your offense is completely stalled. Whether whatever characteristic you’re talking about and if I was picking, you know, and I think that’s the big thing picking the perfect area quarterback, whether he could run or not taking that out of the equation. Armstrong Armstrong is probably the last thing. How smart he is is. Probably what I mean by smart is how football smart he is and how you can adapt to the game. It’s probably number one number two. Number two is basically how how he reacts in in tough situations. Three is leadership. Four would probably probably be some type of toughness. And five would be. Not really. Miami might move toughness to really two or three. And then, you know, five would be arm strength. It would be the last thing I’ll look at because we can design the plays around arm strength from that standpoint. But I think I think the big thing about a quarterback is the most important thing is, can you coach him, play to play? And is he rents the bad stuff, you know, and just, you know, Rancic, get rid of it. We’re going back out. And that’s one of the things I try my kids early on are I’ll go ahead and tell them up front, up front, you’re going to throw interceptions. It’s going to happen. You’re going to make a bad read. It’s going to happen. But that’s things that are correctable, and that’s me as a coach is here to help you with that. But if I can’t help you because you won’t open your mind and. Listen, in tough situations. We’re going to stall no matter what. And I think that’s kind of the I think that’s a long way short of what I really that’s the first characteristic that really jumps out to me is how this get handled is

[00:15:46] Joe Daniel one of the things that we have to get our quarterbacks. And I dealt with it this year, a senior, but he wasn’t really like a quarterback. You know, we came in as our first year in the program, his first year running our system. He had come from a it was a spread. I don’t know if it was an air raid specifically or what was a little more like Zone Read type stuff, I think. But no, it was. I tell you what they were Tony Franklin system. So they, you know, that’s the system that he came from. But again, he he didn’t have a lot of playing time under his belt. He’d been playing a lot of the stuff, you know, get a strong arm. He’s actually going to play D2 ball. But he was so much better the second half of the year when it was like, Look, I want you to make a decision and throw the ball and whatever happens happens and we’ll grade, not grade because I don’t, I don’t know, great film, but we’ll we’ll we’ll look back at the decision and say because he was worried about throwing the perfect football people been talking to him about, you got those ball right here in the bottom corner of his. No. Like, look, you make the right decision. And if the ball’s Iloilo, whatever, like, well, we’ll figure it out. Let’s grade the decision because the decisions are actually pretty easy to make a lot of times in high school. So I think decision maker, it’s because you mentioned, you know, being in it, being a decision maker, being able to shake off that interception. But another one is how does he handle getting this is like not a good thing to have an upright ourselves. I’m not giving up many sacks, but how does he react to the offensive line when they give us right back? Is he picking them up or is he pissed off at them?

[00:17:20] Patrick Taylor Yeah, and that’s and that’s the one. You’re right, you hit the nail here because that’s one of the things I do tell my quarterback. You know, there are some times you’re going to throw the ball and you hit run around as a team. Just part of that. Just part of it. But that’s part of your toughness, is that, yes, there’s going to be sometimes we can’t pick somebody up or somebody misses. And I’ll tell you the first time it’s you stand up and you yell at those five or six guys in front of you, you’ve lost them, you know, and we always joke they don’t get their name called out. They don’t get this. But that’s one of the first conversations I have is these guys are your lifeline. And if they won’t play for you, then again, we have another deficiency in the offense because I’m going to put somebody back there that they will play for. And you’re absolutely right. I mean, I’ve had that’s one of the things, and I’ll bench somebody over really quick is because maybe it was a protection breakdown on our fault. Maybe they threw some matters. It was just absolutely. But then again, it goes back to me. Did I know? Did you know where the hornets were added? You know what to check to in all this other stuff? It ain’t necessarily their fault, and if it is, we’re going to get somebody in there that’s going to change it. But you throw, I’ll say, throw your sucker in the dirt and get mad at them. And again, we’re back to. Are you coachable? Are you leading in that bad situation and moving forward? And that’s that’s probably one of the biggest things that, you know, I’ve coached a lot of kids and I’ve had some very talented kids that would do just that and they didn’t make a living back there. I probably moved them to receiver. But you’re absolutely you’re absolutely right. And that’s that’s one of the things that we look at when we kind of say, Hey, this is a kid that we’re looking at playing a quarterback and I’ll start automatically analyzing them. You know, I don’t really care about them. I care a lot about their demeanor, but I don’t care. Like I said, I don’t care if they’re a railroad guy. I don’t care for that. You know, the best quarterback I ever coached, whether he threw an interception or threw a touchdown, he was the same kid. He didn’t get too high. He didn’t get too low. He stayed right there in the middle. And that’s hard to find. But you know, it’s something that really helps you, especially in tough situations.

[00:19:25] Daniel Chamberlain I have to say I have a almost four year old and throw in your sucker in the dirt, and being mad might be the best analogy I’ve ever heard. So, yeah, I’m still in that one coach. Appreciate it because I watch him do that from time to time. We’re trying to correct it.

[00:19:37] Patrick Taylor And we’re also talking about the most over coached position in football. Oh my gosh. And Joe hit the point. Kids can. We can easily paralyze this position by telling them, You got to hit this. No, you got to do this. You got to throw this ball this way. You got to use this golf club when you throw it. I mean, we your feeds got to be here. You go, and you’re just like, Man, you’re going to paralyze a kid at some point in time. He has to play and you got to be able to play with the good and the bad that he has to offer. But I mean, you can polarize a kid at this position and running just as quick by getting in, this is going to be perfect every time this. I mean, come on now.

[00:20:17] Joe Daniel Well, it’s like how many? How many guys come into coaching or think just in general? I mean, you can go out and look at camps, how many guys think they’re a quarterback guru and they’ve got all these things that they’ve learned from, you know, all these high level people and all this stuff. But the reality is the. We used to play a team, a coach. He’s still a coach here in Richmond, but year after year after year, he had these these really elite quarterbacks and his offense very, very similar to ours, a little blend of our offense and wing T. And he would have these quarterbacks year after year after year. They were great athletes and they were just, you know, they dominate a game. You know, these kids would. We had this one year, we had them down. It was like zero zero at the half. And this is a team that should have beaten us by 40. And then the kid just decided at halftime. I mean, he just decided that it was it was over and he took over the game and after we had kind of moved on and we were in different places. You know, I said, how did you develop these quarterbacks? And he was like, pretty simple. They’re freshmen are all football out and just watch them throw. He looks the kid who runs around and swings it. It’s like, I don’t teach a kid how to throw. I teach a kid who to throw to, but I’m not sitting. He’s like, I’m not sick. We’ll work on its mechanics and stuff. But you start with a kid who can throw and like, throw within, like you said, throw within your offense, within my offense. I don’t need I need a kid to throw a hitch. Yeah, he can throw a hitch. We’re good. If he can, I mean, that’s that’s what we need. I didn’t build, throw a hitch and throw a little flat and be able to throw the ball outside outside at 23 yards deep. That’s it. Beyond that, we got we have no need for anything else. It’s great to have, but that’s all we need. And he’s like, Do you find a kid who can throw? That’s all. That’s how you find your quarterback and then you coach all the other stuff. But you get these guys talking about every little detail and they’ve got 9000 quarterback drills and quarterback school and all those things. I think they’re all great. But you’re right. Barry over coach position, and you can really set this kid back doing that too much, especially doing the wrong way.

[00:22:22] Patrick Taylor And in that position, you know, you’re exactly you’re exactly right. I listen to Coach Leach talk one time and he said, you know, after a kid is about six or seventh grade, whatever his throwing motion is, is going to be his throwing motion because at that point in time, it’s become muscle memory and he knows how to get as accurate as he can with that slot. And I’m a firm believer in that because, you know, I think you can improve upon some things like a pitcher in the major leagues. You can improve upon some mechanics to maybe dolly and another mile or two per hour. You’re never going to really change a kid after he’s used to throw and got that muscle memory. You’re not going to correct him that much. You can. You can work with the feet and stuff for accuracy. But to the point of, you know, you either got it in a way like you said it, throwing a football is it’s one of those. I’m not gonna say it’s a hundred percent natural gift, but it’s almost it’s almost that kind of gift because you either can or you can. It’s like pitching a baseball. You either kind of can or you play outfield or infield and you’re just as you’re just as needed. But you know, you don’t have necessarily the accuracy and the natural throwing ability that you can. And I think that’s, you know. But I see I love like you. I love all these clinics and all this stuff. But man, if I sit down and listen to everything that was available, I could never get a kid to throw a forward pass because I would be critiquing every mistake in his is his mechanics and everything. And you know, I think there’s some point time just got to live with what you’ve got to live with and prove what you can just let it roll. And like you said, ask what they can do, not what they can’t do.

[00:24:02] Daniel Chamberlain So we’re you guys have kind of hit a whole bunch of points already about, you know, kind of our first area here is why would you make the decision that I’m going to build around this kid this year? But it sounds like the number one resounding thing is number one, he’d already had the ability to throw, but more than anything, he’s he’s kind of that player that has got it upstairs, right? He’s got to be able to make the Reid stay level headed even if he can’t throw. We can still build an offense around him. It might be a running offense,

[00:24:29] Joe Daniel but not every, not every offense. I mean, one specifically is obvious, but not every offense is built around the quarterback. You talk about a wing T, it doesn’t need to be built around a quarterback, necessarily. He’s he’s in that case, you want a kid who’s a good leader and a tough kid, and he’s going to hand the ball off to everybody and get the play call in. And then like, you know, look at a double wing through double wing team needs that could go lead up on the back and toss the ball and go be a lead blocker. It’s like they’re looking for a totally different kid and going totally different kid.

[00:24:59] Patrick Taylor And we’re talking about it because I cut my teeth in the wings. But if we really think about it and I know more, throw some names here that are from one arm to the other. Brett Favre played high school in a wing T. Mm-Hmm. Joe Flacco played college football at Delaware in a Wing D. Mac Jones that was in Alabama. He played high school football in a wing T, and I agree with you and you start looking at those leadership skills and the other stuff. And you think, I mean, I know Brett Favre threw as many interceptions as touchdowns, but he was a prolific NFL passer. And you know, we look at, you know, Jones and what? Done with Alabama. And I know Joe Flacco is dealing at the same time, we’re talking about pretty accurate passers who had pretty strong arms, but again, you know, you feed them into an offense that said, OK, this offense, like you say, is built around wing backs, running backs, full backs and a lot of quarterback footwork. And so you start talking about it. But the accuracy of what you said a minute ago, you know, they’re talking about the huge pass. And that’s one of the things I grade a kid on, because the hitch is one of the hardest throws to make for a quarterback because it is a target throw. It is a right now quick release throw and it has to be in a power pan. And if those kids can make that consistently well, they’re accurate. And that’s probably, you know, I’ll give that off when I talked about my my characteristics. But when I talked about throwing the football, you know, accuracy is probably one of the high premiums about throwing the football. You know, if he can hit that three yard flat round off a boot pass consistently and put it out there in front of the full back for him to take it? Well, that’s very important and just is just as as crucial as being a throw that 50 they pass and that kind of thing. So that was a that was a great point. You made may kind of see how you can put all kinds of different kids in there, but they got similar characteristics.

[00:26:52] Joe Daniel Yeah, I think with it, and I’m sure it’s the same with the air raid, you know, with our offense being able to do that hitch. But throwing on time means more than anything to us. You should never get sacked. You should never unless we just unless we just totally missed. The only time you get sacked is when we have a communication breakdown on the offensive line. That’s right, because as we talked about, we talked about it with Coach Shackleford and Daniel. I’d never heard it before. The offensive line’s job is to get run over slowly, get in the way. As long as they’re in the way, that kid should be getting the ball off and two point three to two point eight at the most. And like he should have figured it out, he should get hit, probably. But he’s never give up a sack and it’s like if he’ll throw the ball on time. We love to throw deep out. That’s that’s one of my favorite throws and a lot of people look at it. I’ve I’ve been thrown, I’ve thrown in seven on seven and I’ve had guys be like, we can’t throw that route and I’m like, That kid’s an eighth grader. You could throw that route. You just think you can’t, because it’s usually wide open. Yeah, but we love to throw deep out, but deep out must be thrown on time because you’re right, if you throw it, if you wait for the kid to break and then throw it, there’s too much. There’s way too many people getting on that ball. So timing, accuracy and those things honestly like throwing a hitch is a hard, you know, it’s tough. But any kids you’re going to have as a quarterback, he should be able to throw, which

[00:28:06] Patrick Taylor is especially if you do it repetitively, he should get used to doing it, like turning to throw for a second base, right? You do a repetitively, they should be able to do it. And I agree with you.

[00:28:17] Daniel Chamberlain So I think we’ll move on to changes you need to make to accommodate a good quarterback. Whatever your metric of good is, if you’re someone needs to sling it and you want to hit a bunch of deep balls. Maybe that’s your version of good. If it’s I mean, I guess you could even bring triple option if the guy that always makes the right read were, you know, whatever the case is, whatever your version of good is. So what are some accommodations that you’re going to make in your offense? Maybe you don’t normally make, but you have this guy, you got the guy this year and we’re going to make those changes. So, yeah, I’d like to start there. Coach Taylor, if you have anything on that,

[00:28:50] Patrick Taylor if that’s where you’re at each year, especially in high school, because we don’t necessarily go out and get our kids. And so really, I’m we’ll look at what he does good and what he’s comfortable with, and then I’m going to look at what he can’t do or what he’s uncomfortable with. And you know, in our offense, like I said, when we first with the air raid in in in 2015 at nursery school, we had a we had a run threat quarterback. He was he was a perfect Appalachian State early 2000s zone, Reid kind of guy. He had a cannon. He had a Division One arm. He could throw the deep out. And I mean, he could he get through the main batters? He could throw everything. He put so much velocity on the ball. I would not warm up with it

[00:29:34] Joe Daniel being as every kid I’ve ever had a quarterback.

[00:29:36] Patrick Taylor Yeah, I can get. Yeah. And so I, I, I just really he. But the biggest thing with him is because he was a quarterback so late in his career as a junior. He couldn’t put any touch on the ball, so he threw a three yard shower out with the same velocity that he threw a 40 yard poacher out on a baby. And, you know, I had to really think about, well, he’s probably not going to be great at throwing a shower out because I kid is going to catch it. I mean, he’s he’s going to wear it or he’s going to deflect off the kid and it could be an interception. So at that point in time, we were more of a four vertical team. We were more of a down the field y cross team where he was throwing the deep out and the crosses a 20 yard at crosses and we were letting him run the football a whole lot more. Fast forward three years later and we got a sophomore starting and he’s a pure pocket passer and could put every golf club in the bag on the ball. Now. He did not have necessarily the velocity that you did that the first guy could put on it and he could only throw the ball about four to 45 yards down the field, but he could put balls in windows at the other kid couldn’t and understood the offense better. So our offense got bigger. As far, I want to say bigger as we were able to run more concepts. Whereas the first kid we ran about three quick game concepts, a couple of arpeggios and a lot of run game all for him. When we got to the pro passer, they were doing more than we did every, every concept. And you know, we’re more of a handed off team and quick screen team. And so, you know, I think year to year, I’ll look and say, OK, what and what the kid is bad at? I’ll try to work on that in the summer to improve his stock a little bit and help our offense. But I don’t push it to the point where it’s in the forefront of this kid’s terrible this. I’ll let him concentrate on what he’s good at and get confident of that. And then we slowly work in some stuff that he might not be as confident with. And then by maybe mid-July, I’m like, OK, scrap it. Or Yes, he’s getting better at, let’s keep at it. But I think that’s where you kind of look at with what you got. And I think that’s how I would build around it in our style of offense. Now we have built around it.

[00:31:46] Joe Daniel Yeah, I think it’s really important that you have a complete. You mentioned be able to make some throws and some throws. You can’t do different styles having a complete offensive system. You know, we look at just real simple. We look at just cover three, right? We can throw curl flat, we can throw forwards, we can throw hit seam, we can throw deep out for us. OK, that’s just for four concepts that we can throw. That’s a lot of different throws, and chances are that that kid can make the throws in at least a couple of those concepts, right? If you’ve only got one, it’s very unlikely anybody has one cover, three beta in the bag. But let’s just say you did like then you might not have a kid who can make that throw that year. So, but as long as you’ve got a complete system, you just go, OK, look, he’s good at these, he’s not good at these and you work from that. You mentioned the kids who don’t have any touch, which I seem to find lots of them. And maybe that’s because we like the kid who can throw the deep out. And I mean, it’s like it’s a rough thorugh. I cannot underestimate. I mean, I cannot undersell how important that throw is in our offense, like this year when we weren’t very good for a long time, when our when the quarterback got confidence and the receiver got confidence in an offense that had zero confidence starting the season when they got confident in that, like, things just opened wide up because now the corner starts playing weird leverages and all of a sudden everything else opens up. But the the thing about it is that kid a lot of the times, unless he’s really special, he can’t throw your traditional the the the arching bubble pass, right? That’s right. We had to kill that thing because I needed a kid who can throw the deep out dish, be able to turn. And, you know, we do the backpedal bubble. You know, you open up, you open up straight at the quarterback, you show him your numbers and you backpedal as fast as you can to the numbers because this kid doesn’t do laying it out in front of you while you break up in front of it. Like, that’s not our game. Our game is what we run. Ali screen. It’s a bullet thrown at the kid in the alley screen. Like, it’s just not because mean we try to coach him to to, you know, Touch Pass. I haven’t thrown middle screen in years because that’s a Touch Pass and these kids throw bullets. A lot of them. So that’s an accommodation for the kid. This kid can do the things that we really want him to do, and I will give up middle screen and the the three step bubble looping bubble thing. I’ll give those up for the ability to throw, you know, a good hit, but no quick release hitch to throw a deep out to throw those things that are important. It does kind of piss you off when he has trouble hitting the flat route, because that should be the first thing in the world. But you know, you can we can generally get to it. So yeah, you have to make adjustments based on what he can do and when you when he’s got that power, that strong arm. I agree with you. I like, you know, you talked about the kid who can only throw the ball 40 yards down the field, but he can put it in windows. Windows are so big, sometimes in high school. Windows can be so big that if you got a kid who can see windows, throw the ball in a spot, he can be really, really good. And he may not have that laser rocket arm where he, you know, is drilling the ball in there, but he can just throw it to the right spaces. And that’s where I think you. You can. Like I said, open up your playbook and so your playbook shrinks and grows based on his arm strength. And of course, it’s going to change based on his legs.

[00:35:05] Daniel Chamberlain So before we get into quarterbacks with legs and I guess maybe it kind of coexist with this question, but if you’re a very run heavy team and you get that diamond in the rough out of your small little community, are you making a complete offensive change? Is that somewhere you would go from? I’ve been watching T for 20 years, and now I need to let this rip it.

[00:35:24] Joe Daniel Lou Johnson change. Lou Johnson, who was on our podcast, talked about his spread wing team and that was what happened. Lou, and I think was around 2000 or something like that Lou had been wing to. Forever. And he had a kid who could throw. He just backed him up and continued running the wing. The wing T is he might be a bad example and I know that I remember seeing a team down in Georgia, Grayson, I think, or one of them. But they run. They run double wing for years and years and years and years, and this kid was a total stud. And they’re like, OK, we are a double wing team who also runs whatever the air raid or something. They were just like, Yeah, we so. So there’s two answers to that. I guess one is yes. And two is if you’ve got an offense like the wing T, if you’ve got an offense, you know, area, you’re already a passing. But Eric can go to a run very easily, can go to run heavy very easily. But Winkie can easily become a pass heavy or at least at least balance offense. Our offense is very balanced in run and pass, so that’s that’s what I’ve seen is a couple of different ways to do it.

[00:36:31] Patrick Taylor And even down in Georgia, there is a team still pretty good at running to Dublin now, the fine Arizona, they were between southeastern southwest wing declining. They would incorporate option wing T into their offense when they had a runner. So you would start getting Bailey option instead. Just running Bailey or Bailey G or down. You would start getting some triple option off of their stuff and they weren’t misses early as much as a jet rocket type team. They became more of an option style team based on what quarterback they had, and even back in a month where now you run an inverted and inverted wing T with the power Reid. And in all that, it comes off of it with all the rocket and jet motions and stuff. I don’t think you have to wholesale change like like like Joe said. You just kind of adapt the system you’re already in because I think what a lot of people forget is, even if you go back to the Pop Warner single wing days, you know, if you look at I think it was a pandemic in Florida for a long time wasn’t a song to me. Yeah, they’re in a single wing and their quarterbacks running it, and he’s throwing perimeter bubbles and stuff out of it and doing stuff. But at the core, it’s still the single wing. And if you really look even at the bank, at the old old old one hundred year old feel that quarterback was still a runner back then. And, you know, so I think that even like us in the raid, you know, we might end up being, you know, in 15 and 16, we were a fifty two run, 48 pass because we had a runner at quarterback and a runner at running back. So, you know, our run in some ways we were, you know, you use that word balance. We were balanced, but our Rome was just as good as our past. And so after that kid graduate and maybe become a 70 30 passing, is it just play to the, you know, to the hands of that? But we didn’t have to change a whole lot. We just had to take the quarterback runs out of it. And so I think that that’s a good I think that’s the beauty about having both now a kid with legs gives you an extra dynamic in high school football. I do think that

[00:38:39] Daniel Chamberlain and I feel like that a kid with the legs fits every single offense like you talked about. I mean, you can just take, you know, everyone round belly and now it’s a Billy option because the dude’s got legs. If you’re in the spread, even if you’re a cool, people are going to drop back and now you’re just out, you know, hit a sideline and go. So I feel like you wouldn’t have to change that offense as much. Maybe your play calling changes, but you can just yeah, the scheme itself doesn’t feel like it has to change. But have you got a kid with a cannon all of a sudden and he’s a true passer now, and you’ve been, you know, hand the ball off 65 times a game for 10 years or whatever. Like, you may have to make a more of a change there. And that was my thought, right?

[00:39:15] Patrick Taylor And I got to find a better split receiver if I’m in the winning team. As I look, we’re going to hang this thing about 10 times game with this. And because they’re going to be in single high coverage earlier because we run the football so good. So we’re going to play action and we’re going to hang that post and you just beat him on the post, especially during single high. But yes, I mean, it just gives you an added dimension either or with the legs or the arm is and you can adjust based on it. You know, that’s the thing, though, and it goes back to play design because you know, when you if you got a tight end split and then new motion that guy crawls or whatnot, then you’ve basically got a guy in a class. Now you’re in some form trips. And so if you release that back, yeah, there’s just so many things that you can do on all formations. And yes, I mean, you could curtail it to to the leg or the arm. Yeah, I don’t without a wholesale change.

[00:40:05] Joe Daniel I think that if you’re if you’re thinking like, man, if we get this, if you look at your offense today, anybody listening to this, if you look at your offense today and go, you know, if we had this type of quarterback, if tomorrow this, you know, spread option stud runner walked in or if tomorrow this six foot five laser rocket arm walked in, we would change the offense. I think if you’re looking at your offense and thinking that there might be a fundamental. Problem with your offense,

[00:40:34] Patrick Taylor Harmsen, because

[00:40:36] Joe Daniel because your offense should as a system and and look, there’s the obvious exception of double one. And I think you can definitely a doubt. I know you can adapt your double wing, but but with the obvious exception of double wing, which even that has, you know, you know, plenty of play action elements and things like that, because if you got a kid who can throw in your double wing, like most of the time, I see quarterbacks who are horrific passers. And they go like two for three, for sixty five yards and two touchdowns. That’s like a that’s like a double wing quarterback line. But if you got a kid who can actually throw like now, a team can’t put nine guys in the box, like you can start to do something that’s crazy. But that’s the obvious exception. The single wing is has elements. You can definitely do it. You’re split back beer or something like that. You got to make some adjustments, but they’re there. It’s been done. You can find it out. But outside of those real exceptions, I mean, flex bone is one back, which is pistol power, which is, you know, if you’re an if you’re a, you know, an eye formation, if you’re an air raid, you can kind of take the kid that fits that what you need like, let’s just say that best athlete, probably. And you can kind of roll from there. Mm-Hmm.

[00:41:45] Daniel Chamberlain So we’ve covered most of the what changes you would make. And it just sounds like overall, you’re just adapting, you’re not making wholesale change. Maybe if you run heavy, you’re going to throw a little more. It depends on what attribute that player brings. So all very good points.

[00:42:00] Joe Daniel Well, I think you’ve always got it’s not just that you’re just going to call the same old plays. I think that we all go in with you again, the hierarchy of of a system, you’ve got your system, which is everything you can possibly do like if you’re a wing to your system is buck series, belly series, its jets, its rockets, its it’s beer. It’s all these things. If you’re pistol power offense, then you know you’ve got all. If you’re if you’re air raid, you’ve got all the ten, you know, not there’s not that many concepts in area, but you’ve got them all. You don’t necessarily run them every year, right? Maybe you don’t run power. Read this year. Like if you were a spread option, you don’t run power. This year you run zone. Read the next year. You’re not really good at that regional power. You know you run the bubbles, you run your RPO has all these different things, but the system is everything based on who your quarterback is and some other components. Then you go, OK, this is our playbook for this year. We’re not. We’re we’re pulling these pieces and then you take those pieces. You say, this is our game plan for this week and then you make your play call that day. You know that that snap so you got your kind of hierarchy of your system. So it’s not just the same things every year and you just go in no matter what. If you’ve got a good system, you got a lot of things that you can do and some of what you do like we can run zone read, but we don’t we don’t run a lot of, you know, some years we don’t. This year we did run a lot of zone. That’s a lie. This year, we kicked out the defensive end, but it looked like zone read. We usually when we read it, it was called handoff because whenever it exists,

[00:43:27] Daniel Chamberlain you made the adjustment to the quarterback you had. We got it.

[00:43:29] Joe Daniel That’s all I wanted to keep it. Footballs on the block worked

[00:43:33] Daniel Chamberlain this last last section. We want to talk about what your the question I have is how would you adjust your playcalling mindset for a stud quarterback? And so whatever version of that, you can kind of piece together an answer for, but what are you doing mentally to change? Is it, you know, you’re set up plays? Is it what your base call? And we’ve we’ve kind of touched on this already. So you may just say, Hey, I’m regurgitating the same stuff, but that’s kind of the question if if that’s good enough,

[00:44:00] Patrick Taylor I think I think, you know, talking about the two kids here recently that I’ve coached, I don’t I think we talked about like, you know, their abilities to be able to run certain plays and certain plays they can and everything else. I think still year in and year out when we go into game plan and things of that nature. I still look at what the defense is giving me because if defenses are smart and you got a big arm guy, they’re probably not going to press you up if you’ve got a good receiver. So they’re probably in some show quarters and they’re going to force you to try to throw into a mistake or they’re going to force you to do this same way. When I’ve had stud running backs, I’m going to get more of a loaded box, so I got to keep them honest with some type of perimeter throw. That’s a higher percentage. Throw the key, you know, put that wheel or that Sam in conflict somehow. So I think I still look at the defense per face and how they’re going to respect that kid and what they’re given. And then what can I do? And that goes back to the first gear we had. I had a cannon. We got a lot of that. It was a lot of bend don’t break and it was frustrating. At times we got really good at throwing a stick out. We got really good at throwing the stick around. We got really good at throwing a stick around. And as soon as I saw that safety coming up, we tagged the we tagged the slot on the post over the top and that was our, you know, that was our that was our money because they weren’t just going to let us turn us loose and let him put the ball down the field. And I think that’s that’s more of kind of where we were with him because they knew that, yes, and they’d play us, man. And he would he had enough. He was one of the few kids I’ve ever coach that he had enough arm strength even in man to see something light and he could still thread the ball in there. You know, I’d be saying No, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Want to get on it? You know, he was one of those kids and but he knew that he had that much velocity and he had that much arm strength. And, you know, the lighter kid who didn’t have as much velocity? Well, you know, we got everything in the book coverage wise to try to confuse him because he was so good at reading the defense that we ended up getting a run box. A lot of times the five man box. And so they would force us to run the football in order to take away his ability to spread the ball around. So there was a lot of nights where we went in. We might want to sling it 70 percent of the time, but we had to run it 30 35 times a night to win. And I go back to say, when I look at those and you get those stud guys, every defensive coordinator playing at school say, How do we take that? How do we cut the head off the snake? And you’ve got to steel game plan, even though they’ve got those features about them. You’ve got the game plan around what their defense is giving you that he can do and how to force them into giving you something that does allow you to uses his talent to expand the field or to, you know, display what he can do that, you know, is so special about him.

[00:46:56] Joe Daniel I think that the place that changes in your play calling. I don’t like what you said. You know, it’s that take what the defense gives you. But so many coaches are going out there. And I finally realized this after a while. It was I don’t ever make a call sheet based on down and distance anymore because it doesn’t matter, because what matters is what what’s the defense giving you? And the only time that down and distance as an offensive coordinator now as a defensive coordinator, I still make calls based on down and distance because most of the offensive coordinators are making their call sheet based on down and distance. Right? But as an offensive coordinator, when I’m making my call sheet, it’s about areas of the field and what they’re giving me in different places. And that’s still going to be the major decision factor is where are they giving me space? Where are they giving me, you know, leverage? Where are they giving me bubbles, gaps, seams, angles, that kind of stuff. And that’s where I’m going to look at numbers, numbers more than anything. Numbers matter more than anything to me. And so that’s what I’m looking at with my play, calling from an offensive standpoint where I think things are going to change beyond just, you know, this kid likes throwing this route or this kid. You know, we’re going to call more zone read because this kid’s a runner. We’re going to call me whatever it is. Where it changes is in your risk factor for me, which is how much my willing to take a shot here or do something here based on the fact that this kid is probably not going to turn the ball over or if there’s a chance of him turning the ball over, there’s just as good or better a chance of him going for 80 yards or throwing for 80 yards or whatever. So. So like, for example, third and three, OK, we’re third in three. We’re on our own 35 yard line right now. If I don’t like the point, which I don’t, but my head coach is going to punt the ball, so I need to get three yards. If I’m if I’m the head coach and the offensive coordinator I’m looking at is I can run twice, but I know my @CoachChamboOK on punt the situation unless you really trust me. So it’s like, what can I get three yards on a second? Even better, like, OK, second and three in a normal situation, unlike second of three shot like, I’m taking a shot right here. You can wait to play. Yeah, but if I know that this kid ain’t very good or our passing game is not very developed and there’s a pretty low chance of that working and we’re going to punt the ball if we turn it over. This year, my quarterback six foot two, 220, and we’re going to shift into a single wing and he’s going to carry it. And if he gets two yards, we’re going to shift into a single wing and he’s going to carry it because that’s who he is. Now, later in the year, I would have looked at it and said, or I did look at it later in the year and go, All right, second and three, we’re going to throw deep out, see if we can catch you think and run or we’re going to throw a fade, see if we can catch, you know, or maybe we’re going to do a little token fake and get the corner to stumble and then we’re going to go up top or we’re going to play action. And then I’ll go, you know, because now I trust this kid to get rid of the ball and not give up a sack. I trust him to throw the ball where it’s going to be a potential for a big play or it’s going to land out of bounds or, you know, pretty low turnover possibility. And I trust him on the next play to carry the ball, put his head down, get three yards so your playcalling changes greatly to me in that if I don’t have that kid, I’m going to run power, you know, or I might run a screen best on second down and then I’m going to run power and that’s going to end, you know? All right, we’re putting it. So I think what changes is is how you handle your risk factor.

[00:50:21] Daniel Chamberlain It’s awesome. Yeah, because I had not thought risk factors. I hadn’t thought about taking the shot. Yes or no. So that’s that’s excellent. We’ve really kind of covered most of the stuff that we’re going to cover tonight. So I know that you two, probably. Have more that you’d like to say on this topic, and that’s kind of where we’re at. We’ve covered every question we brought into the evening for this topic, so if either of you just have anything you want to add were there and if not, we’re we’ve good. We’re good. I think we’ve we’ve covered it pretty well.

[00:50:46] Joe Daniel Yeah, I don’t. I mean, I don’t have anything major to add. I think that I think that we, you know, I think we’re always building around the quarterback to some extent. I don’t think there’s many offenses that aren’t built around the quarterback to some extent because he is the guy that touches the ball every play. I’m always surprised when people talk about the center, you know, just being, you know, our worst offensive lineman is the center or something like that. It’s like, Oh, no, dude, like, my center has to talk. The guys that are touching the ball every play. And if you’re going to be, it’s like your Mike linebacker, right? You’re Mike. Linebacker is going to be in on the tackle like he may not make 20 tackles, but he’s going to be right there for at least half the snaps. Like, everybody’s going to see him. The defense is built around your Mike linebacker to some extent. He doesn’t have to be your best player, but he’s touching the ball. I mean, he’s touching the ball carrier a lot, right? Same thing with your with your center, with your quarterback, if you’re going to be given the football a lot. I tell you one other thing that crossed the path in my head, and I’ll just mention this how you set up your personnel, the rest of your personnel. We talked about a couple of episodes ago with Coach McKee. We talked about Tight end and I had a kid who as a junior was a tight end and he was a very, very good tight end. But the only reason he was a tight end is because both receivers were All-State. If the quarterback had not been who the quarterback was and he was a region player of the year, it helped head the guys who were on the outside. But he was. He was the region player of the year, his senior year in the same class. If that quarterback had not been who he was, that kid stays at tight end because he was a blocker and we talked about that episode. I can make some easy throws to that tight end, right? But he was six foot three. He fast. So the next year, he goes out to be another threat down the field when one of those receivers graduated. So it does change a little bit of who your personnel is. You know, if if I knew I had a kid who flat out couldn’t throw, then like I might not put two kids that could be all state receivers out there. They’d be in here, play an extra running backs or something like that. I don’t know what they I don’t know what we’d be doing if I had a kid who just could throw it all. But so it does affect your personnel too, was the last thing I would say is where you put everybody so you can distribute the football to him because that’s ultimately what he’s got to do. If he can’t do it himself, he’s got to distribute the football to that.

[00:53:09] Patrick Taylor And I agree with that because I think this is what has changed since I played high school, since I played football high school football in the 90s. So now is that offenses have become more dynamic in a way. But I think your quarterback now because I’ve seen it, you know, unless you’re just an absolute stud football team who can. And I always joke about this, but they can those teams that can really run anything and just be as good and proficient. And I’m glad for those guys. But I think for people that are trying to carve carve their way into winning some games that weren’t supposed to an upset and some people and stuff like that, you have to you have to have some quarterback play today. And so when we talk about building an offense around the quarterback and I think Joe kind of hit on that, you know, whether he can throw the BU wagon or whether he can stand back in the pocket and fire the pigskin. I don’t think you can get away with being completely one dimensional anymore. You have. You might not throw the ball 100 times a game. You have to be proficient at whatever throws you make to keep Moss. I think that’s the biggest thing now in high school football. You know, every quarterback is not that prolific style passer, but he has to be proficient in the passing game. That’s you telling that you tell him, even if he’s a runner, because defenses have became smarter. And I don’t mean that they were defenses have had to become more dynamic because of it. And if you don’t, it’s like doing something about the double wing is one of the most aggravating offenses you’ve ever faced in the world, because if you let them the third down, you two or three yards you to death. Next thing you know you’re in third one and they’re going to win nine times out in their own win on third one. It’s just it’s the law of averages that quarterbacks want their own power and the three other people come to. The whole lawyer says they’re going to beat you on those situations and they’re just going to keep the ball away from you and so on and so forth. And so when you see teams like that, they can just line up and do that. Then you can say, well, they could probably do a lot of other things, but for the teams that can’t. I think you have to have some type of quarterback play built around your system to keep the honest, even if you got the best running back in the state. You might not have the best offensive line is just a bunch of earthmovers. You’ve got to be proficient with some guys on the perimeter. And I’m not just mean and tall sweep anymore. You have got to really put it out there now. Like you talked about when Hitch, well, we got to put it out there now and get some guys run into. Siren, so that we can do this, this and this, and I think that might be the difference, and while we say we build an offense around the quarterback, whether he’s running or throwing or a little of both is because you have to against today’s defense is if not, there was just load the box and say, you know, we’re ready for that and we’ll stop you on first down and get you out of that second, six or second part. You know, we’ll take you on first and I’ll put you behind the chains, you know?

[00:55:59] Joe Daniel Does that balance? You know, we say balance, but balance is not 50-50. Balance is the threat, the equal threat of running or throwing at any given time is balance in your offense. And if you like to, some guys say, well, you know, setting up the run, setting up the run with the passing of the pass to run in that idea. But again, it goes back to taking what they’ll give you. Mm-Hmm. And if they’re giving you things that you can’t take, you’re going to lose that game.

[00:56:24] Patrick Taylor Yes, and that’s exactly right. And I think that’s where the quarterback has become. We’ve seen in the pros, when I was growing up, I’m only forty three. You know, the pro football has always been a quarterback heavy situation. If you had a good quarterback or at least a proficient quarterback, you could win, you know, a proficient quarterback and good defense. You could win, but you see it move down into college. And now, you know, I think in the last 10 years with the zone read, making a big wave and everything else that you really, no matter what you run anymore from affirmation or not, you’ve got to have some type of proficiency from the quarterback to be able to keep them honest.

[00:57:03] Daniel Chamberlain You’re basically talking about the twenty twenty two national champion Georgia Bulldogs, right?

[00:57:08] Patrick Taylor I mean, I mean, you know, you know, this is the fun and I’ll lead in this. We went down to their clinic three or four years ago, Jake from freshman year,

[00:57:19] Joe Daniel another laser rocket arm, Georgia

[00:57:21] Patrick Taylor quarterback. Yeah, and that’s and been it was run in the scout team. And he is he is balling out Army Lt and Georgia’s number one defense of no one who is this kid. You know, it’s like, not whatnot. But yes, you’re right. I mean, because, you know, I’m not Stetson done a great job. Any quarterback national use these guys, he probably wouldn’t have been everybody’s first pick. I’m just not being, Oh, he’s

[00:57:45] Joe Daniel not

[00:57:45] Patrick Taylor right, you know? And but he had a good defense and he was, you know, when he was proficient at what they asked him to do, then he could keep them honest for the guys in the backfield. And I think you can. And that’s a perfect example of saying, you know, we’ve got a five star quarterback over here and we got this walk on basically non scholarship kid over here that up earning a scholarship after he went to JUCO. He still had to be proficient in something and what what they could ask him to do. And I think that’s a straight correlation to high school now because, you know, if you’ve got bad quarterback play, it doesn’t really matter what else you do well and whatever that quarterback play is, even if it’s just bad fakes, if it’s bad stuff, your run game is not going to be as efficient as it could be. And I think that’s, you know, that’s not having a quarterback that can do something is tough. I would probably get into to a double where he would just find another running back and we’re getting in the bone and we’re running the option, you know, and we’ll throw a slant every now and and keep them honest. I mean, because that’s not

[00:58:49] Joe Daniel there’s always you always going to be able to find one athlete to put back there and do something. Yes. If you just got, you know, he’s still your best athlete, he can do more than anybody else.

[00:58:58] Patrick Taylor Even if you’re going to be just getting empty, getting an empty and running, people often say, Hey, take it off when they take it. If they turn their back, you take off. Yeah, you be an athlete and get me some

[00:59:09] Joe Daniel we can get, we can get six on five and hopefully you win one.

[00:59:13] Patrick Taylor You got run that linebacker stuck in the middle of the field. You’re 4-2-5 guy. He’s a four seven guy. You ought to build a win. That’s the sideline. I mean, I’ve done that because it just it is what it is, you know? But at the end of the day, I still think even in high school, the quarterback play has really, really an injury. You can say this. I mean, you were coach a while, how in the last ten years, how much is the quarterback position changed in high school as far as drill tapes and everything else? I mean, it’s probably what ten to one now in any other position would you say?

[00:59:43] Joe Daniel It’s yeah, I mean, like I said, everybody’s a quarterback guru and I don’t mean that. No, there are. There are some guys who think their quarterback gurus and they I think you need to learn how to coach offensive line. Yeah. But when you talk about the guys who are quarterback gurus and can coach a quarterback and can I mean, there’s these kids go to camps, these quarterbacks go to camps and it’s like, I mean, they come back. Bless Market came back with the greatest three step drop I’ve ever seen from under center in my life. And I was like, Well, we don’t ever throw from under center, but it’s good to know we can do it.

[01:00:19] Daniel Chamberlain It was beautiful. I think that really wraps up the episode. We’ve hit all the big points. We’ve ask all the questions that I can think of. You guys, put your last little pieces in there is, I think we’re ready to pay the bills and and

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[01:01:15] Daniel Chamberlain 2009, right then you sent back the first 18 or the mysterious ones.

[01:01:19] Joe Daniel The first 17 are on the website, but they will not be in the RSS feed. That’s correct, I think. But yeah, if you want to check all those out, you don’t need a list of the first 17. Believe me, we’ve done it over since then and done it better. No offense to coach all about it. We’ve done it better since then. We didn’t know what we were doing back then. And if you listen for a while, please go and leave a review. It’s a great help to get the word out, iTunes wherever they take reviews, but we’re on the same call iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, SoundCloud, Spotify, Apple or Amazon Music. What was the other one? I’m missing one, but whatever. It’s everywhere. It’s everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. Leave a review. If you’ve been listening for a while, it’s a huge help. And with that, I guess we go to the social media sites.

[01:02:01] Daniel Chamberlain So Coach Taylor, if somebody wants to reach out to you and talk about air rage, spread offense, where the where can they reach you at?

[01:02:08] Patrick Taylor They can email me at CoachPatrickTaylor@gmail.com. They can also follow me on Twitter at Patrick_Taylor for and I’ll I’ll answer anything you by any questioning by Hazard. And if I cant answer the question, I’ll point you to somebody that can. I’m always willing to talk ball and then you can follow me on those to two places and you know, my my phone numbers out there, too. Don’t hesitate just to call if you got or know somebody that’s got it. So I appreciate you guys having me on air tonight and whatnot. And sorry, I was a little late. We’ve been having some major thunderstorms rolling through. I guess they’ll be up in the Richmond area pretty soon, probably and and whatnot. So but it’s always a pleasure and big fan of you guys and look forward to the all season and seeing what everybody’s doing and and how we can develop. Those quarterbacks be a little bit better for what we need them to do.

[01:03:01] Daniel Chamberlain So I got to tell you on the thunderstorms, it’s really just about commitment. You know, I had tornado sirens going off when or not. So there is a standard there. The standard has been set

[01:03:12] Joe Daniel here in Oklahoma. There’s always a tornadoes where there’s always

[01:03:15] Daniel Chamberlain say that part, Joe.

[01:03:16] Patrick Taylor OK, I went down to Mississippi State last week. There goes coaching clinic and I haven’t been in Starkville five minutes and I’m standing outside or in a pizza from hungry always. And the air raids are the tornado sirens went off and I was like, Man, maybe that’s an omen. I’m here to start with an air raid sirens going off. There was a tornado touching down about twenty five miles north of me. And maybe, maybe. And there’s also the boy I was out there trying to find

[01:03:42] Daniel Chamberlain the launch area. Cold beer. You’re good. Yeah, no. So I am on Twitter at @CoachChamboOK. And we also have the podcast at the @theFBCP. That’s a good place to interact. You want to ask questions? Do you want to show us a like on a topic or whatever it is? That’s a good place to do that. What about you, coach Daniel?

[01:04:02] Joe Daniel Then we’re also halfway through season 11. So if you have something that you want to hear, we’ll be planning out season 12. Gosh, not that long, probably before the season before the actual season starts. So you can find me at @footballinfo on Twitter @footballinfo on Twitter, you can find us on Facebook, facebook.com/JoeDanielFootball.com and obviously join.JoeDanielFootball.com and JoeDanielFootball.com. We have lots and lots of podcasts and articles and junk like that, but join.JoeDanielFootball.com to get access to the JDFB Coaching Systems. I think we’ve I think we’ve hit it all.

[01:04:37] Daniel Chamberlain If you have interest in coming on the podcast, I know that we talked to several folks yesterday and just kind of welcome them into the community and we’ll be scheduling them in pretty soon. By all means, fill out the Google form that’s on there. It doesn’t take too long, and I’ll schedule Zoom with you and get you on, and we’ll get you into the podcast and effort to at the football coaching podcast.

[01:04:59] Joe Daniel Yeah, if you feel like you’ve got something to share, I mean, let us know because you know, if you’ve got a particular area of expertise, let us know what it is because we we’re not really looking. I couldn’t care less about, you know, if you coached for some Division one or something like that on guys that, you know, if you’ve been listening. We have guys from small schools, we have guys from all sorts of different places. So that’s that’s more more our style, I guess. So if you got something to share high school football, let us know we want to get it out there. Well, Coach Taylor, appreciate you being on with us. And appreciate you guys listening. And remember coach simple, play fast, win.